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Post by IndyBlues on Feb 24, 2007 22:46:37 GMT -5
Absolutely joking about the pants. Thing that bothers me, I don't think I've ever seen a button up shirt without at least one front pocket. I don't think they make mens shirts without pockets, do they?? Not saying Jocks shirt does have pockets(although I'm still not 100%) 'Blues
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 24, 2007 23:07:25 GMT -5
I just went back and watched the scenes over and over a few times. I don't see any front pockets. Jock's name tag is quite clear on my DVD when you pause it. It's funny that I miss seeing the guy get run over by Indy's horse but I catch the name tag.....go figure. ;D RB, if you watch the side shots of Jock's shirt while they're in the air you can see that what we thought were flat epaulettes are just the seam of the shirt. So there goes that theory.
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Post by GCR on Feb 24, 2007 23:35:18 GMT -5
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Post by IndyBlues on Feb 24, 2007 23:48:52 GMT -5
GCR, I said mens shirts........ Just kidding, those shirts are nice, but like you said, too dressy for a 1930s bush pilot. This has been an interesting thread so far. 'Blues
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Post by GCR on Feb 24, 2007 23:55:09 GMT -5
GCR, I said mens shirts........ Just kidding, those shirts are nice, but like you said, too dressy for a 1930s bush pilot. This has been an interesting thread so far. 'Blues ;D I KNEW that was coming... ;D Hey, I caught this thread, saw the no pocket dealie and did a quick search...this was the first...er, thing, that popped up. ;D I'm still diggin' though...I KNOW there are some of these out there in cotton or rayon or SOMETHING other than silk... ;D -GCR
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Post by GCR on Feb 25, 2007 0:18:56 GMT -5
Here's another one...similar style to the shirt above, but made from rayon & polyester. The color in the pic is wrong, but the shirt is offered in a "lake blue" color which might work for a "Jock" shirt. I'm still lookin' for any other shirts that might fit the bill a bit better... www.amazon.com/Mens-Isla-Camp-Shirt-Size/dp/B000G9E6WS/sr=1-295/qid=1172380469/ref=sr_1_295/105-4557714-5280407?ie=UTF8&s=apparelEDIT: You know, the more I look through some of these sites at different shirts, the more I realize that the eternal dilemma of screen accuracy vs. utility is indeed in effect, even in something as simple as Jock's shirt. I believe, based on Harry's good eyes and Ken's screencaps that the shirt was pocketless. I also believe the shirt was a very lightweight fabric, something common to tropical/warm weather clothing. There are a few shirts out there that come pretty close to the screen-accurate construction of Jock's, BUT I also believe the shirt that the actor playing Jock wore was MEANT to represent a heavier weight, work type shirt, and was not to be viewed as the lightweight shirt it truly was. Thus, if you want a shirt that would make an awesome Jock shirt to wear around, with a pocket or two that you could actually use for something, any one of the options listed on the first page would probably be perfect, as I'm sure they are all durable enough for regular wear and tear. But, if you want to get as close to screen-accuracy as possible, you might want to consider a shirt like those I've managed to find tonight. They might not be ideal for a "regular" shirt and might not hold up to any signifigant wear and tear, but they will certainly capture the look of the Jock shirt as it was on screen. Just like the difference between the NH type shirt and a good close enough like the LL Bean. The Beans will perform out in the field, as it was meant to, but it will NEVER be screen-accurate. The NH, on the other hand, will look DEAD ON from day one, but isn't really made for "field use". So, despite my usual inclination toward screen-accuracy, I think in this case, I'll go for a good close-enough shirt (with pockets) that will hold up to real world wear and tear. Anyways, on that note, I'm done searching for the evening...if I see another short-sleeve button shirt, I think my eyes are gonna roll back into my head... ;D -GCR
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Post by Ragingblues on Feb 25, 2007 1:19:49 GMT -5
I feel the same way you do about it IB. I have some silk cruise/island style shirts, but they are not the sort of thing I would work on a plane in. I think something that looks the part is really all that's needed here anyway. There have been a few good choices in this thread so far, and my vote would be to pick the cheapest one that fit's the bill for this type of shirt. That way, more people might be inclined to join in. It wouldn't necessarily have to be a rough, tough work shirt type of material.... just not a dressy shirt. If the plan is indeed to put "Air Pirates" on the back, it should look more manly anyway. Were you suggesting that we put "Indy Lounge" in place of "Jock", or was that a passing thought? I wouldn't mind having one of these with that over the pocket (because real guys need a pocket, right? ). But, then again... I am a little biased when it comes to having the Lounge's name on it. ;D Ken
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Post by JEEP on Feb 25, 2007 7:33:48 GMT -5
This is a great idea - I would be in for one (or two) /Jakob
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2007 9:23:33 GMT -5
Count me in too. Cheers, G-MANN
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Post by indianatone on Feb 25, 2007 11:14:23 GMT -5
None of the following info helps get any closer to the actual shirt. I think GCR's found the best match so far. Getting closer.
Now I'm not saying this is official but according to my "sources"....
(Where's the eye roll icon when you need it?)
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 25, 2007 11:42:27 GMT -5
Ah, it warms my heart to see one of those correspondence e-mails again. Takes me back to the good ol' days when they were making three new Indy movies instead of one and they were using the AB for the hat!
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Post by indianatone on Feb 25, 2007 11:48:16 GMT -5
WHAT?! Are you doubting my sources? I had to hide the names to protect them but I'll have you know it's from a very close friend who works closely with Paralucas Filmmounts Studios!
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Post by IndyBlues on Feb 25, 2007 11:55:12 GMT -5
LOL, too funny. Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking to copy that shirt stitch for stitch, just something close enough, in a lightweight material. Think it would be a neat addition to my crazy shirt collection. 'Blues
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Post by indianatone on Feb 25, 2007 12:06:48 GMT -5
No, I figured it was a "wouldn't this be cool" kind of thing and not a "right off Jock's back" quest. I do find it interesting how tough it is to actually pinpoint the material of the shirt just in trying to copy it. All of which you guys have said above already. It's hard to spec when you try to do the screen-accurate version which really is kind of a girly "powder blue" and almost drapes like a satin shirt but it wrinkles like a cotton. Very weird. I like the twist of the altered "Jock-esque" Indylounge version in a deeper version of blue. I can't really see where one would feel comfortable wearing a screen-accurate version other than fishing off a seaplane in the jungle.
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 25, 2007 12:11:40 GMT -5
WHAT?! Are you doubting my sources? I had to hide the names to protect them but I'll have you know it's from a very close friend who works closely with Paralucas Filmmounts Studios! Paralucas Filmmounts Studios. ;D
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 25, 2007 12:25:11 GMT -5
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Post by GCR on Feb 25, 2007 14:18:10 GMT -5
Funny stuff up there, Tone! ;D I just wanted to chime in and say that despite my exasperation with searching for the "perfect" Jock shirt, I'm still interested in one if anybody decides to put something together. Personally, I'm favoring either the Aramark shirt posted by Tone or the Dickies shirt that 'Blues found. Either of those seems to fit more with the type of shirt Jock would have been wearing, rather than the type of shirt the guy playing Jock was actually wearing. -GCR
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Post by Ragingblues on Feb 25, 2007 14:21:59 GMT -5
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Post by indianatone on Feb 25, 2007 14:44:25 GMT -5
Sure you don't want to go with the sky blue? Kidding. Yeah, that would make a good shirt - in my case it'd make a good shirt just as a shirt, too. I like that one. Plenty to choose from it seems. As for that email I'd be willing to lie a bit more when I say it was a legitimate email, changed to be a spoof, and that there actually is a bit of truth in there somewhere. But I'm not lying when I say this is potentially not a truthful email and that in no way should anyone not think to doubt the legitimate falseshoods in their truest form, either implied, perceived or otherwise misinterpreted to be of unquestionably questionable accuracy, in and out of context therein. Though I did not think to ask about the Disney remark and have no idea what it meant. "Yikes! And awaaaaaaay!"
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Post by GCR on Feb 25, 2007 14:53:01 GMT -5
As for that email I'd be willing to lie a bit more when I say it was a legitimate email, changed to be a spoof, and that there actually is a bit of truth in there somewhere. But I'm not lying when I say this is potentially not a truthful email and that in no way should anyone not think to doubt the legitimate falseshoods, either implied or perceived, in and out of context therein. ...za?? ;D Hey Ken, I'm liking both of those new choices you dug up! Though I think, if I had to choose, I'd have to go with the first one...but both still look great. -GCR
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Post by IndyBlues on Feb 25, 2007 15:16:36 GMT -5
Yeah, nice choices, Ken. I think I like my Dickies shirt, but I don't want the flaps. What a pain, lol. 'Blues
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Post by agent5 on Feb 25, 2007 15:51:30 GMT -5
Hey all, Thanks for all the kind words about me in the beginning of this thread and thanks for Blues idea to resurect this and make me aware. These caps are from a copy of Raiders in HD I just got. It's SO hard to get screen grabs from this (these took 1/2 hour) but I think this clearly shows that the shirt had two front pockets, both with bottons and no flaps. The bottom corners of the pockets are also not squared-off, but are clipped at the edges. The bottons are also a bit darker than the shirt, more like the color of the patch. I've also seen finally that the letters on the back were sewn individually on. Much like old baseball jerseys, as Blues pointed out to me inconversation recently. You can see the way the edges of the letters bulge in certain areas, which makes it aparent that they're sewn on. The letters also appear to have a distinct letter shape. Some sharp corners. The pants look to have one back pocket with a button and no flap.
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Post by Ragingblues on Feb 25, 2007 16:20:07 GMT -5
Are you saying you think it "had" pockets, but they were removed? That would certainly explain the creases there. My original impression was that there were pockets on it, but... after looking at screen caps blown up to 300 & 400%, I agree with Pitfall. It looks like a wrinkle or horizontal fold where the top of a pocket should/could have been. Just my thoughts, but that's what I am seeing... or not, as the case may be. Ken
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Post by agent5 on Feb 25, 2007 16:26:47 GMT -5
I can see them perfectly when I'm watching the film now. There are without any doubt, two, front flapless pockets with buttons. You don't see the solid out like of the pocket shape in the first two pics I posted? The bottoms aren't squared off, not rounded, but cut at the corners at a 45 dg. angle. Sorry for my sucky illustration, but I think these show you well so you get the point. Don't forget that when you blow them up as much you will lose the detail you want.
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Post by Ragingblues on Feb 25, 2007 16:34:38 GMT -5
I honestly think it could go either way, especially based on the shots we have posted. Like I said before, I originally thought the shirt had pockets. After Pitfall said he looked closer and didn't see any, I zoomed in to see for myself.
Either way, I think a shirt with pockets serves the needs of this gear idea better for us. It makes it a touch more utility and less dressy, which is better for this look to me.
Ken
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