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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 9, 2007 15:44:07 GMT -5
Hey... Just got the "Cream" colored F21 shirt in the mail not more than an hour ago. To my surprise the shirt ISN'T just plain white like the website makes it look. I don't think it's as "dark" as the Wested or the NH but it's definitely NOT white. I took some pics of it by itself and next one of my regular white shirts. Hopefully they come out right. I'll post the pics later on this evening. I like this shirt a lot. I thought the Khaki was nice but I love this off white color a lot better.
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Post by GCR on Feb 9, 2007 15:50:21 GMT -5
Hey... Just got the "Cream" colored F21 shirt in the mail not more than an hour ago. To my surprise the shirt ISN'T just plain white like the website makes it look. I don't think it's as "dark" as the Wested or the NH but it's definitely NOT white. I took some pics of it by itself and next one of my regular white shirts. Hopefully they come out right. I'll post the pics later on this evening. I like this shirt a lot. I thought the Khaki was nice but I love this off white color a lot better. SWEET, I'm glad to hear this shirt isn't as white as was originally thought! For that price I don't care how "off" white it is, as long as it's not pure white I'm gettin' me one!!! Can't wait for the pics! And thanks for the scoop on these, Pitfall!!! -GCR
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Post by winstonwolf359 on Feb 9, 2007 17:09:49 GMT -5
Good to know about the cream shirt! Now if only they would stock my size again... Pitfall, just how "slim" is the slim fit? Compared to other shirts the same size? I don't mind it being a little more trim through the waist to keep it from balooning, but I learned the hard way that Wested's "slim fit" is WAY too slim. I couldn't even button the cuffs, let alone roll them up. I'm sure I could just get a larger size but I'm afraid it would throw the rest of the proportions off too much.
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Post by Ragingblues on Feb 9, 2007 18:59:01 GMT -5
Looking forward to the pics PH! If it turns out to be a creme color, it can easily be adjusted to the accurate color (if one chooses). I know you like the shirts lighter anyway, so it will most likely stay it's color for you. But, if I were to pick one up, I would certainly throw it in the Rit bath mixture of Taupe and Pearl Grey. Ken
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 9, 2007 20:41:06 GMT -5
Ok, here's the shirt. The shirt below it in two of the pics is just your basic white. I'm happy with the color it is now. I don't want to mess with trying to dye it. I know the Wested and NH are the correct color of what the shirt actually looked liked but from my point of view Indy's shirt appeared white / off white / dirty white for most of the film. I think you can notice a bigger difference in scenes from TOD where the shirt actually appears the color it really is in real life. For this being an "off the rack" shirt it's pretty darn close. I can't think of any other shirt "off the rack" that I've seen this close. For $27 it's a steal as well.
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 9, 2007 20:47:17 GMT -5
Good to know about the cream shirt! Now if only they would stock my size again... Pitfall, just how "slim" is the slim fit? Compared to other shirts the same size? I don't mind it being a little more trim through the waist to keep it from balooning, but I learned the hard way that Wested's "slim fit" is WAY too slim. I couldn't even button the cuffs, let alone roll them up. I'm sure I could just get a larger size but I'm afraid it would throw the rest of the proportions off too much. I'd say it's pretty snug. It says you can dry it on low heat "tumble dry" but I usually just let this line dry and iron. It's so slim that I'm afraid if it shrank I wouldn't be able to wear it. I'm not sure what size you wear but right now they only have medium and large available.
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Post by Ragingblues on Feb 9, 2007 21:14:17 GMT -5
Good show with the comparison shots! PH, not to pick or try to persuade you..... but, the Noel Howard shirt (the actual Indy color), looks exactly the way it does in the movie when you are in full sun. In fact, it looks exactly like it does in the movie in every lighting you put it in. I can understand you having a preference, as it's your money and your shirt. But, I challenge anyone to find a scene in the movie and I will match it with a photo of the Noel Howard in the same lighting situation. No color alterations, just straight photography.... which is not even what they did in the movie. They used colored gels, studio lighting, reflectors, etc.... Regardless, this shirt looks better with a slightly off white color on it. That's better for general use as it is, IMO. ken
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Post by GCR on Feb 9, 2007 22:21:05 GMT -5
PH, not to pick or try to persuade you..... but, the Noel Howard shirt (the actual Indy color), looks exactly the way it does in the movie when you are in full sun. In fact, it looks exactly like it does in the movie in every lighting you put it in. I can understand you having a preference, as it's your money and your shirt. But, I challenge anyone to find a scene in the movie and I will match it with a photo of the Noel Howard in the same lighting situation. No color alterations, just straight photography.... which is not even what they did in the movie. They used colored gels, studio lighting, reflectors, etc.... Ken, I'm with you on that 100% The NH / MBA shirt got a bad rap for being a "costume" shirt or being too "pink" from some folks a while back, and maybe theirs were, I don't know...but mine has always and still does look the part in both fabric type and color...regardless of lighting. As far as I'm concerned, the NH / MBA is as close as you can get. That being said...I think this shirt you have here Harry is the BEST looking close enough shirt I've ever seen, period. The fabric, color and design all look great!!! Outside of the "Big 3", I doubt there's any other shirt that delivers this much in the way of an Indy shirt, regardless of price. Factor in the price on these is just about as cheap as you can get, and there's no reason why this shirt shouldn't take the "Close-enough shirt" crown outright! Nice work, Harry! -GCR
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 9, 2007 22:54:16 GMT -5
If I get a chance over the weekend I'll try the shirt on with the rest of my gear and maybe snap a pic or two.
I only have two real problems with the "Big 3" shirts and the first and most obvious is the price. The second is that they are perfect Indy replica shirts but I can't see myself wearing them without the rest of the gear. I don't want to say they look like costumes pieces because that makes it sound like your walking around with a Batman cape on or something. I just think they capture the era Indy occupied at the time of Raiders and they have specific look about them that I'm sure people would notice.
The nice thing about "close-enoughs" like this and the Old Navy is that they weren't made to be Indy shirts and yet they still capture the "look" of his shirt so you've got the best of both worlds.
I kind of doubt anyone will ever find an "off the rack" shirt that will have everything the NH, Wested and Magnoli shirts do unless they're specifically copying those shirts.
This shirt is kind of a "modern" version of the Indy shirt and the "cream" color might still be a little to white for the "die hard" collectors out there but I think it's the closest your ever going to get for this price.
I'm simply amazed that I was able to find a shirt "this" close considering it's 2007 and Raiders came out in 82. It's taken this long for fashion trends to kind of roll back around to the cargo / military look that was kind of around back in the 80's when Indy hit the screen.
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Post by Ragingblues on Feb 9, 2007 23:48:52 GMT -5
Pitfall, Don't get me wrong, I can completely understand you not wanting to spend NH money or even Wested/Magnoli money for an Indy shirt. Although, you have purchased so many close-enough's, you could have had one of each of the big 3 by now! ;D Seriously though..... I only say that about the color because this is such a nice close-enough shirt to begin with. The Old Navy shirt is a great "spirit of" shirt, and should remain the color it is, because it's not close enough to pass for the real thing. I love it just for what it is. The Forever 21 shirt, however, is so close that all it needs is a color job and it would make a great everyday shirt and a shirt that does the trick for and Indy shirt with everything except the big pleats. It's the pleat that makes the Indy shirt not so wearable as a regular use shirt anyway, to me. The actual Indy shirt/NH color is a perfect color to wear with jeans, khakis, or full gear. So, by having the shirt dyed close to the correct color, you could actually have both: everyday shirt and gear shirt. That's really my thinking on it. I wouldn't suggest it if the shirt wasn't so close that it would work for both GCR, I think all those people that ever said the NH/MBA shirt was too much of a costume shirt, never actually held one in their own hands. If they did and still felt that way.... yikes, what a moron! Kidding, of course... but I just can't see anything except the pleats that makes the Indy shirt seem like a costume. If having the accurate design makes it a costume, then yes.... i guess it is. Cool shirt Pitfall. This is definitely the "Oak Creek" sort of find in the shirt department. Imagine if they went on super sale! Ken
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Post by winstonwolf359 on Feb 10, 2007 0:38:51 GMT -5
The thing is, I see the dreaded "costume" stigma thrown around to the Wested jacket too, and I just don't get it AT ALL. How does lightweight = costume? I'll never understand that. Even though it seems a fashionable buzzword to throw that around, I really think the idea that the NH shirt is a thin, wimpy shirt came about because it was always compared to a bunch of off-the-rack "close enoughs" that were thick as hell, with no regard to what we actually saw in the films. Same thing with the Wested...Sure, it's not as thick and heavy as a cowhide motorcycle jacket, but it's not supposed to be, either... I'm really hoping they add more sizes again, cause this IS the "close enough" shirt of the century. I just don't see how another shirt could be any closer without intentionally trying to be an Indiana Jones shirt. If I get the chance I'd probably order a XXL, just because I'm afraid an XL will end up like my Wested shirt. EVERY other shirt I own is an extra large, even the Old Navy close enough, which I think is a fairly trim fit, but the Wested would barely button across my chest, and I couldn't even button the sleeves or roll them up. THAT little ego-booster really sucked the joy out of getting a Wested shirt, that's for sure, I'd hate to have a repeat of that!
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Post by Ragingblues on Feb 10, 2007 0:47:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure if you saw the photos of Pitfall wearing the darker khaki version on page 2 of this thread or not. But, based on those shots alone, I would say this is a very trim cut shirt. Of course, PH said that as well. But, if you were curious as to how close fitting it is, those photos should help. It actually looks like it has the NH cut as well. Ken
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 10, 2007 2:17:39 GMT -5
I can't see how someone would even mistake the Wested leather jacket for a costume piece. It's just a leather jacket. I take mine with me everywhere and I never get a second glance.
Blues, I think your right. I think the larger pleats on the replica Indy shirts are what make it "stand out" from the more modern shirts like the F21 and Old Navy.
It's funny that you mentioned it above but I probably have spent close to what I would pay for two NH shirts on all of these "close-enoughs". The thing is though just trying to find something cheaper was only part of the reason I started looking. I also wanted something I could go back and get right away without having to order it from overseas if something happened to the one I owned. You and I have talked about that before though and we both seem to be the same way about all of this gear stuff anyway. I just don't trust my kids and my own clumsy behavior to go spending over $100 for a shirt that I could spill something on or it get ripped somehow, the same goes for the pants. ;D
As far as this shirt goes. Just make sure if any of you buy it to be careful. This shirt is 100% cotton, it's lightweight and it's cut pretty close to the waist. I just get this feeling one wrong move when it comes to washing and drying it and you'll end up with a shirt a size smaller than what it was.
It also warns on the collar not to bleach. So I don't know if the same goes with dying it as well. I'm happy with the color as is and I don't plan on changing it.
As far as this shirt goes it's now my Indy shirt. Before this I was using the Old Navy shirt......which is great but it's got the pocket on the arm and it's missing the epaulets on the shoulders. So it was "close" but not "close-enough" compared to this new shirt. I'm probably going to end up getting rid of the Cabelas shirt and the "pilot" shirt I bought and dyed. I'll end up just using the F21 Khaki and the two Old Navy shirts as regular shirts. I think I'm going to order another F21 "cream" and that will be it. That way I have two shirts and two pants.
When it comes to the gear I worry more about the jacket, hat , holster , bag and whip looking as accurate as possible. The other stuff I don't think about to much. With the pants I try and keep close to the color of the "Oak Creek" pants and with the shirts I stick with white or off white.
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 10, 2007 13:00:41 GMT -5
Well, I just went and ordered a second "cream" colored shirt. Now I'll have two. Now I've got to figure out what to do with the other shirts I don't want.
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Post by GCR on Feb 10, 2007 13:11:05 GMT -5
Well, I just went and ordered a second "cream" colored shirt. Now I'll have two. Now I've got to figure out what to do with the other shirts I don't want. Put them up for sale, see how much cash you can net from them, and put it towards more GEAR!!! -GCR
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 12, 2007 16:38:44 GMT -5
Well, here are some pics of me wearing the "cream" shirt with some of my gear. I decided to leave the gunbelt, whip, bag and jacket off.
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Post by GCR on Feb 12, 2007 16:46:27 GMT -5
Man, Harry, that looks AWESOME!!! I think we have a definite winner with this one!!! It looks great with all the gear as well...by the way, did you turn your hat back? It looks different to me, but it still looks good! -GCR
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 12, 2007 16:58:29 GMT -5
You really have to see the shirt in person to get a good idea of the color. Once it's warm enough and the sun pops out I'll take some pics wearing it outside. Yeah, I didn't turn the hat back all the way because that would mean taking the ribbon off again. Tone suggested in the other thread that I turn it back a little so I did. I was able to turn it back enough to keep some of the brim swoop while getting rid of some of the mushrooming it had before. I ended up soaking the crown again after that and rebashing it. I also put the camel humps in as well.
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Post by GCR on Feb 12, 2007 17:09:16 GMT -5
Yeah the shirt and the hat both look good. If there's one thing about the Fed Deluxe that I can personally vouch for, it's that you can mess with it almost constantly, and punish the crap out of it, and it will keep coming back for more. Anyways, I am really liking this F21 shirt...especially the price! I almost find it hard to believe that however designed this shirt didn't have us gearheads in mind! The color doesn't look bad at all, maybe a bit light based on these pics, but then again Indy's shirt color looked pretty light in certain parts of Raiders, too. I've never owned a Wested shirt, but from pics I've seen, they've always looked a little light, I would say this F21 shirt is probably on par with that colorwise. I think it definitely works!!! If I wasn't trying to save up for an AB Deluxe (yes, another hat ) I'd probably get me one of these right now. -GCR
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2007 17:42:43 GMT -5
Harry, That is really a nice close enough. Sorry I do not respond as much to the Close enough gear threads these days. My Gear purchasing is pretty much over as most of you can understand why. So I tend to skim over some of these threads. My appologies . Cheers, G-MANN
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Post by winstonwolf359 on Feb 12, 2007 20:16:35 GMT -5
Man, that's a great lookin' shirt! I agree with GCR that it looks like the same color as the Wested shirt, a very pale cream color, which I think gives a nice contrast between the shirt and pants. And I think the whole outfit looks great together. I really like the color of the pants. Are those the Oak Creek pants?
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 12, 2007 23:04:09 GMT -5
Harry, That is really a nice close enough. Sorry I do not respond as much to the Close enough gear threads these days. My Gear purchasing is pretty much over as most of you can understand why. So I tend to skim over some of these threads. My appologies . Cheers, G-MANN Hey, it's fine.....I'm pretty much done myself. What I'm doing now is basically going back and "adjusting" some stuff that I kind of rushed at getting to begin with. As far as the shirts and pants go I'm set. The only way I'd get another jacket is if I get one from Todd or maybe Wested if Peter comes up with a new "cheap" "Ready to go" Raiders jacket. The boots I had to replace because the other ones were killing my feet. ;D I think I found a good "close-enough". This was the first time I wore them with the gear and I think they go great with it.
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 12, 2007 23:12:19 GMT -5
Yeah the shirt and the hat both look good. If there's one thing about the Fed Deluxe that I can personally vouch for, it's that you can mess with it almost constantly, and punish the crap out of it, and it will keep coming back for more. -GCR Yes, I've started referring to my Fed. Deluxe as the "Zombie Hat" because the damn thing just won't die! ;D
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Post by pitfallharry on Feb 12, 2007 23:16:22 GMT -5
Man, that's a great lookin' shirt! I agree with GCR that it looks like the same color as the Wested shirt, a very pale cream color, which I think gives a nice contrast between the shirt and pants. And I think the whole outfit looks great together. I really like the color of the pants. Are those the Oak Creek pants? Yeah, those are my Oak Creek pants and I forgot to mention that when I posted the pics. I thought I'd put those on so you could see the best "close-enough" pants with the best "close-enough" shirt. By the way the color on these pants have faded slightly over time. They used to be a little darker. The only difference really between these and my Izod's are that the Izod's are slightly darker and that they have no back pocket flap.
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