"Terminator Salvation" - 2009

[Ragingblues]

Terminator Salvation - 2009


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October 10, 2007 - Warners Bros. will distribute the newly retitled Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins in North America. The studio previously released Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.

Terminator Salvation will begin filming in early 2008 and will cost less than T3. John Brancato and Michael Ferris penned the screenplay for production company Halcyon. Variety reports that the fourth installment "seeks to reinvent the cyborg saga with a storyline to be told over a three-pic span." As Halcyon co-CEO Derek Anderson explained, "This is set in the future, in a full-scale war between Skynet and humankind."

Producer Moritz Borman added, "The third film was really the conclusion of what happened in the 'now.' You will find the most-loved characters, but the intention here is to present a fresh new world and have this be the first of a trilogy."

According to Variety, "no final decision" has been made about a director despite the buzz about McG helming the movie. Another question mark is the inclusion of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was elected governor of California after T3. The producers said it's possible that Arnie could shoot a cameo depending on his schedule and interest.


So apparently, "he'll be back". Well, the Terminator series atleast.


Ken

[pitfallharry]

So what happened to that Terminator Tv show??? Did that ever air?

As of right now I'm totally not interested in these new movies at all. It sounds.....well, boring.

[Ragingblues]

Christian Bale to Star in Terminator Salvation


www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=39503


Christian Bale (The Dark Knight, Batman Begins) has been cast as John Connor in Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, says Ain't It Cool News.

McG is directing the summer 2009 release, which has an early 2008 production start and seeks to reinvent the cyborg saga with a storyline to be told over a three-movie span. Warner Bros. will distribute domestically.

The screenplay was written by Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines duo John Brancato and Michael Ferris.

The film is set in the future, in a full-scale war between Skynet and humankind.


He'll be bat.

Uh, I mean back.


Ken

[pitfallharry]

Ok, I'm a little shocked that Bale would do something like this.....I know he's played Batman twice now but the only real reason he took that gig is that he wanted to work with Christopher Nolan.

I just find it hard to believe that an actor of Bale's caliber would commit himself to such a potential "stink fest" that this could turn out to be......

I'm sorry......I'm one of those people that enjoyed T3 but also felt that they shouldn't have tried to continue the series without Cameron. It was his "baby" to begin with and he should have been the one to continue the series.....not someone else.

But, as we all know Jim went all "King of the World" on us after Titanic and didn't seem to care what they did with the series.

Ah, well......I guess we'll just have to wait and see how all of this plays out now.

I will say that I've seen previews for that Sarah Conner Chronicles on Fox and I have to admit I might tune in to see the first episode. It looks pretty good.

[Kt. Templar]

Some very nice posters have appeared for the TV series.

[Havana]

This all reminds me of Jaws 3 & 4, Exorcist 2 &3, The Omen 2, Weekend at Bernies 2, Home Alone 2 &3, The Santa Clause 2 &3, Blues Brothers 2000 and so on. Sequels and series can be good but not everything should be serialized and sequelized. Sometimes you just need to drop it and come up with some new ideas. "Reinventing" and "reimagining" are just Hollywood buzz words for "milking" and "ripping off." Talented and creative people invent things like the original Terminator and Jaws. Those properties then end up in the hands of people who could have never created them in the first place. These Hollywood players just suck the material dry like a vampire and run it into the ground. They capitalize on the success of the originals to squeeze every last dollar they can from low quality sequels and spinoffs. I think it's kind of sad from a creator's point of view. It makes it easy to understand why Lucas and the Bond franchise owners are so protective of their material. A commitment to quality really goes against Hollywood values.

[pitfallharry]

I agree with you 100% Havana and I think the odds that the new films will be any good are stacked pretty high against it, but......They could surprise us too. IF Bale is really going to be in the picture then I'd say that's a good sign. The guy doesn't just take everything that's thrown his way.

I guess my big problem with the new movies and series comes from the whole "continuity issues" that they create. Well, more so the TV series than the new movies.....as far as I know.

Cameron pretty much set in stone that John Conner was the leader of the human resistance that brings down Sky-net. Then T3 creates this twist that says Kate Brewster is the one that ends up leading the humans after Conner is killed by a Terminator. Now the new TV series takes place after T2 and has John and Sarah on the run from new Terminators. Ok, then why does John mention at the beginning of 3 that they thought they won and makes no mention of running into anymore Terminators. Plus, Sarah got sick and died during that time period. So WTF???

And who knows about the new films......will the continue the storyline from T3 or change things around even more?

You would think since one company holds the rights to all of this stuff that they *might* get together and maybe let each other know what's going on.....

I've seen some previews for the show and it doesn't look bad at all. I just can't see how the concept can be stretched out into a ongoing series.

Right now. I view the Terminator franchise as one of the most screwed up movie franchises out there. Which is really sad considering how entertaining the first two films were.

[Ragingblues]

I honestly have no clue how they intend to work new plot lines into the existing Terminator story without tripping over a few things along the way. It's confusing enough as it is, sending your best friend back to become your Father.... let alone try to figure out where they are going after T3.

I enjoyed T3, but would have preferred like you PH, that Cameron had been at the helm. It seemed more contrived and formula driven than I care for in a series as unique as this. It could have easily been on the level of T2 with the right team behind it.

Oh well... I'm sure I'll watch the new movie no matter what. I may even tune in to the TV series once in a while. As long as I'm not invested in the big picture storywise, it's easier to just go along for the ride and have fun.


Ken

[Kt. Templar]

Terminator seriously misfired for me with T3, having nobody but Arnie from the first 2 was a big mistake and poor Kristianna Loken couldn't act her way out of the proverbial paper bag, has anyone seen "Painkiller Jane"!!! It almost seemd like a TV movie of the Terminator, if you know what I mean.

But going back to the point of Christian Bale, he's not above choosing badly....Equilibrium anyone? Bleurrgh!

I have serious misgivings about a new film and a tv series, but you never know... I'll give it 3 episodes and then decide.

[bendingoak]

You can do anything you want almost with a story that is wrapped around time travel.

TV series takes place after T2 and has John and Sarah on the run from new Terminators. Ok, then why does John mention at the beginning of 3 that they thought they won and makes no mention of running into anymore Terminators. Plus, Sarah got sick and died during that time period. So WTF???

Couldn't you say that they sen't another terminator and now changed the time line. they dd it in the first movie with Jons dad. Kyle couldn't have beem his dad the first time around.

[indakin]

good point, kyle couldnt be his dad is right. Must be a timeline change. Seriously, t2 confussed the heck out of me for so long with claiming that the arm and chip were the reason the terminators were created in the first place. I always asked, " Well how would the terminator have came back to leave the arm and chip unless someone had created it first off without the arm and chip?" The answered that with the skynet take over stuff in T3, and it put me at ease some.

I think doing the war in the future with the terminators and John would be awesome, and if they really try to take it into a better direction and not along the same lines of arnolds versions they could make something pretty dam cool. Bale is amazing so im sure he will light up the screen.

[pitfallharry]

I read this new series is a separate entity from the movie series. It starts off right after the events in T2 and doesn't acknowledge anything that happened in T3.

The Terminator "Timeline/ Time Travel" plot has always been a bit dicey to me. Why not just go back in time and kill Sarah Connor as an infant or something? Or better yet kill her parents......Why did they send the Terminator to that particular time in her life? I guess it's just something you have to overlook.....

As far as the other stuff goes it's like the old question "What came first, the chicken or the egg?"

As far as Kyle and John go....Kyle IS John's father. Sarah didn't get pregnant until the events in T-1.....The only reason the Terminators were sent back in time was to kill John. Kyle came back to save Sarah. So John always existed to destroy Skynet in the future. IF John didn't original exist then Skynet would never have created the Time Machine to begin with and Kyle could never have gone back to get Sarah pregnant. So it's basically one big giant loop.

The same goes for the arm and the chip. Skynet was created from Mile's Dyson's work studying those parts from Arnie's Terminator in T-1. So basically Skynet created itself. Wrap your brain around that one!

When I was sitting there in the theater watching T-2 and I saw John drop that chip and arm into the molten steel pit I was certain John would disappear. No Skynet, no time machine , no Kyle going back and goodbye John. Instead John didn't disappear at all. That's when I assumed they didn't stop Skynet and there was still something out there that they missed that helped create Skynet.

If you watch T-3 it's the female Terminator that gets Skynet up and running. So one can only assume Sarah and John only slowed it's creation down but didn't fully stop it from existing.

Anyway, the series starts tonight on Fox. I'm going to watch it because I've got nothing better to do. ;D

[Kt. Templar]

It's surprisingly watchable, lot's of action and they dont skimp on teminator hardware. It's pretty "big screen" for a tv version.

They set the premise up nicely. They've added a "fugitive" angle to it. It has a little of the "enterprise" malady we know what happens before and what happens after so it seems limited by that. Of course with the time travel aspect anything can be changed.

[IndyBlues]

It's got Summer Glau in it,...'nuff said.
'Blues

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Why are they sending the outdated nuts and bolts model back this time when they had the T-1000 Liquid Metal Version (Robert Patrick Version).

I guess the Skynet accountanators cut the budget. ;D

Cheers,
G-MANN

[Rock Ford]

kttemplar said:

It's surprisingly watchable, lot's of action and they dont skimp on teminator hardware. It's pretty "big screen" for a tv version.

They set the premise up nicely. They've added a "fugitive" angle to it. It has a little of the "enterprise" malady we know what happens before and what happens after so it seems limited by that. Of course with the time travel aspect anything can be changed.

I think the show kind of fell dead I don't think I can get over a teenage Terminator, but will agree with you about the hardware and pretty big screen for TV. I think FOX might pull the plug on this one.

[pitfallharry]

gmann said:

Why are they sending the outdated nuts and bolts model back this time when they had the T-1000 Liquid Metal Version (Robert Patrick Version).

I guess the Skynet accountanators cut the budget. ;D

Cheers,
G-MANN

Well, look at what happened in T-2......The T-800 model (Arnie) took out the T-1000 model......even though the T-1000 was supposed to be superior. I assume Skynet saw this as a failure and didn't use that model again. I also took it for some reason that the T-1000 was a prototype......so there was only one....

[bendingoak]

Pitfall, They couldn't send anyone back to kill sarah conner. They were short on information about her.

What time did the Little girl terminator say she was from???


I think with everytime they send someone back you have just whiped out everything from the point the terminators arrive. Lets take it from the end of T3. Again they send someone back to right after T2 , everything after has just been changed.

[pitfallharry]

Oak, you might be right about that........Arnie did kill off a few Sarah Connors in the first film before finding the right one...

I think Cameron is from the year 2011. I'm not totally sure though. I'd have to re-watch the episode.

I've been watching the show and so far I think it's pretty good. It's definitely thrown a few curves in there I wasn't expecting or never even thought of before. Like John sending people back threw time to do certain things and leave time platforms for people to use to get back.

Having Sarah skip over her death from cancer was a pretty cool twist. So basically the events in T-3 DID happen. It's just that John knew about it this time around and was able to make plans to save his mom. So now Sarah might live longer or beat the cancer.

Cameron is definitely a different Terminator......The T-800 viewed her and the screen said "unknown cyborg" so I'm assuming she's not something that was built by Skynet.

The show had one of the biggest debuts on TV in the last few years so if the ratings keep up and the writing doesnt' crap out I think this might be around a while. It might also connect with the new series of films too.

I do have to say though I miss Arnie. I look at these other Terminators and they just can't hold a candle to him. I'm still trying to adjust to a teenage HOT Terminator, but.....I think the girl is doing a good job.

[Kt. Templar]

The overnight figures came in: 45% drop from ep 1 to ep 2. 18 million to 10!

I don't think it's deserved, the second episode developed the story interestingly and I think they might have something worth watching.

It is a lot better than Bionic Woman anyway!

[pitfallharry]

Every movie site I've been on where there's been a discussion about the show has had someone saying the exact same thing......that this is better than the Bionic Woman. I really never watched that show. Other than the "robot" aspects why are people compairing this show to that one?

I also have to agree with you on the second episode.

I'm looking forward to the third one next Monday.......I guess they made 9 episodes before the writers strike.

[bendingoak]

If John sent a terminator back again to protect his younger self and his mom. and she beats the cancer ( or at least for a little bit) that means he changed the time line ounce again. Help my point.

As for why people compare this show with BW. Both women and both robots ( kinda).

[Ragingblues]

Terminator Salvation Set for May 22, 2009 Release

www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=42346


Warner Bros. Pictures has set a May 22, 2009 release date for Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, to be directed by McG and starring Christian Bale (The Dark Knight) and Sam Worthington (Avatar).

That puts it head-to-head with Fox's Night at the Museum 2: Escape From the Smithsonian on the same date. The studio had already staked out the May 22 release for the Ben Stiller sequel.

Warner will distribute the pic in North America through a deal with Halcyon Co., which owns all franchise rights to the "Terminator" series. Sony Pictures Worldwide Acquisitions Group has acquired international distribution rights.

"Terminator Salvation" begins filming in New Mexico for two months on May 5. The film is part of a planned three-picture arc that begins after Skynet has destroyed much of humanity in a nuclear holocaust. A group of survivors led by John Connor (Bale) struggles to stop the machines.


Ken

[pitfallharry]

So do the same people that own the film rights own the television show?

Next week is the 2 hour season finale for the series. I started watching it expecting to hate it but I've seen every episode so far and it's grown on me. I'm really enjoying it.

I guess what I'm wondering is IF the series will be tied to the new movie?

In the TV show Sarah and John with the help of Cameron (the female terminator) skipped over her death and journeyed to the year 2008. Which basically altered the events of T-3. Which means no Kate Brewster.

If anyone saw T-3 you know that it turned out Kate become the leader of the Human Resistance movement because John was killed. I don't see the character being mentioned now which makes me wonder if these new pictures are an extension of the new time line created in the TV series?

[Ragingblues]

Bale Signed for All Three Terminator Films

www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=45315


Christian Bale is to play rebel leader John Connor in three sequels to the "Terminator" franchise, starting with Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, according to BBC News:

The Welsh-born star, who is soon to be seen in Batman Begins sequel The Dark Knight, has already started shooting the first of those films, Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins.

"He's really an actor's actor, so we're very proud," said Victor Kubicek of film company Halcyon.

"Christian was our first choice and he's a big fan of The Terminator, so we're very lucky," Kubicek told the BBC at the Cannes Film Festival.

"But with Batman he's already done the whole franchise thing, so we weren't sure he'd respond."

Luckily, said Kubicek's business partner Derek Anderson, "he read the script and he loved it, so he's signed on for all three."

The first new installment, co-starring Sam Worthington, Anton Yelchin and Moon Bloodgood, centers on John Connor, now in his 30s, who leads what is left of the human race in a battle against the machines. Directed by McG, Warner Bros. will release the film on May 22, 2009.


Ken