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Post by fedoraman on Jan 16, 2007 10:14:59 GMT -5
G-Mann, you would make a GREAT Bogey! You have the same kind of facial bone structure - all you need is the tux and a cigarette hanging loosly out of your mouth...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2007 10:27:25 GMT -5
Thanks Fedoraman  Half of the time I do have the cig hanging from my mouth. Not that it's a good thing  Cheers, G-MANN |
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Post by Ragingblues on Jan 16, 2007 11:05:45 GMT -5
I was already over there. I left a few posts. I'm not surprised by the reaction, are any of you? I don't want another "war" happening between these two sites. It just does nothing but take away from the time that could be more well spent discussing other stuff. It was Todd's choice. He felt more comfortable over here than he did there. How is that our fault? It's not as though any of us here don't like our Wested's. We just gave him a fair shake that's all. I hope Todd continues with the project and I hope it works out. I want to be able to buy one myself down the road.  Very well said Pitfall! I think Todd realized quickly that his jacket was receiving an enthusiastic, fair shake over here, that's all. I'm quite sure that when he gets some stock ready to sell, or even secured the supply of leather for making stock.... he will announce the jacket in other places too. He is in the business of selling things, but is also a human without much time to sit around and defend himself all day instead of making great products. Ken BTW... Pitfall, sorry for there being an edit listed in your post. I accidently hit the modify button when responding instead of the reply button. I didn't notice what I had done until I posted it!  I fixed it though, and will now go flog myself for being a moron. |
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Post by pitfallharry on Jan 16, 2007 11:20:29 GMT -5
I was already over there. I left a few posts. I'm not surprised by the reaction, are any of you? I don't want another "war" happening between these two sites. It just does nothing but take away from the time that could be more well spent discussing other stuff. It was Todd's choice. He felt more comfortable over here than he did there. How is that our fault? It's not as though any of us here don't like our Wested's. We just gave him a fair shake that's all. I hope Todd continues with the project and I hope it works out. I want to be able to buy one myself down the road. Very well said Pitfall! I think Todd realized quickly that his jacket was receiving an enthusiastic, fair shake over here, that's all. I'm quite sure that when he gets some stock ready to sell, or even secured the supply of leather for making stock.... he will announce the jacket in other places too. He is in the business of selling things, but is also a human without much time to sit around and defend himself all day instead of making great products. Ken BTW... Pitfall, sorry for there being an edit listed in your post. I accidently hit the modify button when responding instead of the reply button. I didn't notice what I had done until I posted it! I fixed it though, and will now go flog myself for being a moron. Oh, how could you?!!! ;D I never could get used to that when I was had the mod "powers" here. I don't know how many times I did that myself. ;D I don't know what will happen IF Todd ever decides to share the info over there or not. I personally think once people see the jacket they'll want one too. I'm sure there will be some who will pick it apart but I think the only way to fight back is to show them what your offering and how it's different than what's already out there. I let them know that Todd is still working on this project as well. He's gone through a lot trying to bring this jacket to the market and if it were me I probably would have thrown in the towel and said "Screw it". ;D |
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Post by Ragingblues on Jan 16, 2007 11:28:19 GMT -5
I agree and have read all the things you wrote about it over there as well. It's nice to see some other people coming out in support of Todd and this effort with the jacket. It does seem that Magnoli will receive nothing but grace, while Todd received a lashing. I thought your posts about it at COW were very well written!  Ken |
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Post by GoneSolo on Jan 16, 2007 11:49:43 GMT -5
I thought your posts about it at COW were very well written! I second that! |
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Post by Ragingblues on Jan 16, 2007 11:57:23 GMT -5
I thought I would state the obvious, but what the heck... things get misunderstood online sometimes. I am just as open to seeing Magnoli's Adventure jacket and giving him a fair shake as well. A good product is a good product, and we all benefit from more choices! Ken |
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Post by pitfallharry on Jan 16, 2007 15:21:30 GMT -5
Thanks guys.... I just didn't want to see this thing get really ugly over this jacket. It looks as if everything has been "resolved" for the most part. The thread itself over there is now closed. My fear was that it was going to look as if Todd was playing favorites with our site over theirs and that wasn't the case at all. When I started reading some of the replies though I thought I had to step in and say something. If you think about it "playing favorites" would only hurt Todd's business. As a vendor he wants to reach as many customers as possible. I also don't believe any of us here gave him a free ride when it came to the jacket. I just think he felt more comfortable over here discussing it because he wasn't constantly having to defend himself or the reason why he was offering a jacket. Everyone here, over there and some of the other sites are all big Indy fans so no matter what site we tend to gravitate toward we are all still on board the same big ship. That doesn't mean we have to agree with each other's opinions or even like each other for that matter but we should at least act civil toward one another. I would hope the same thing would extend to every vendor as well. People need to keep an open mind and it hurts us all if you start alienating other vendors just because your loyal to a certain brand. I can see running a vendor "out of town" if he or she were taking their customers for a ride........but what happened to Todd was more than just "constructive criticism"....... I hope Todd will continue with the jacket project because I think once the word gets out he's going to be a very busy man. |
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Post by GCR on Jan 16, 2007 21:13:25 GMT -5
Looks like they opened up Pandora's Box over at COW. Oh, THAT Pandora's box over at COW...whoops, guess I should have kept my mouth shut about Todd's jacket being done...  Like I said in my earlier post about the Magnoli jacket, I'm willing to give it a chance. I just wish someone would give it a fair review and post some good pics, but now the one guy who was going to do exactly that has bailed on the idea because of all the "trouble" that sprang up...  Figures... I don't know...the whole situation just seems whacky to me...I still can't quite fathom why Magnoli wanted to even come out with a jacket of his own in the first place, not that I think it's a good or bad decision either way, mind you. I just know, if it were me and I were a vendor making other pieces of gear, I wouldn't go near the jacket with 10 MILE pole...not after all the controversey that seems to swirl around this one particular piece of gear. It's funny, really, it seems like the jacket, more so than any other piece of gear has always inspired so much hostility & aggression...I mean, geeze, it is just a JACKET, after all. -GCR |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2007 21:44:15 GMT -5
GCR, You may be able to see a review of the IM jacket at the Prop Zone. I believe that's where Magnoli first mentioned that he was going to be making Leather Jackets. As for the whole COW thing, water under the bridge Cheers, G-MANN |
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Post by GCR on Jan 16, 2007 21:58:20 GMT -5
GCR, You may be able to see a review of the IM jacket at the Prop Zone. I believe that's where Magnoli first mentioned that he was going to be making Leather Jackets. As for the whole COW thing, water under the bridge Cheers, G-MANN Thanks for the tip, G-MANN! I'll have to swing through there and check it out. -GCR |
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Post by GoneSolo on Jan 17, 2007 0:05:19 GMT -5
I have a PM from him at COW saying that he was going to be selling them for $199 post paid. What gives?
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Post by Ragingblues on Jan 17, 2007 0:08:44 GMT -5
If they are going to be that low in price, he should think about actually advertising it. Another jacket that looks like a Wested, but with a higher price, is not much use in the market. But, if it looks like a Wested and is $100 cheaper.... he might start reeling in some sales.
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Post by GoneSolo on Jan 17, 2007 0:15:05 GMT -5
Exactly, and knowing that Magnoli has some quality products, I was really considering purchasing one at that price. More than a Wested though? Count me out.
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Post by pitfallharry on Jan 17, 2007 0:34:55 GMT -5
I don't know...the whole situation just seems whacky to me...I still can't quite fathom why Magnoli wanted to even come out with a jacket of his own in the first place, not that I think it's a good or bad decision either way, mind you. I just know, if it were me and I were a vendor making other pieces of gear, I wouldn't go near the jacket with 10 MILE pole...not after all the controversey that seems to swirl around this one particular piece of gear. It's funny, really, it seems like the jacket, more so than any other piece of gear has always inspired so much hostility & aggression...I mean, geeze, it is just a JACKET, after all. -GCR I don't know what it is about the jacket either.......especially Todd's. It's just as puzzling to me as well. The only other BIG things I associate with Indy are the hat and whip and since I've been around I don't recall any "discussions" about "The NEED for another Hat or whip on the market"......So why the jacket? I mean we've got tons of whipmakers out there copying the Raiders whip and we have a bunch of hat vendors creating Indy hats. So how does having one more jacket on the market ruin everything??! I think Todd's problems over there started right after someone asked him WHY he was creating a jacket himself. After explaining the motivations behind his decision I think some people took the answer the wrong way. Todd said he thought he could offer a more accurate screen jacket than what's already on the market. I think some looked at that and thought "Oh, so he thinks he's can do a better job than Peter". I didn't take it like that at all but I'm willing to bet that some did and that's why they got so defensive. I don't think that's the only reason though. I think if Todd would have announced he was making his own Indy hat he would have got the same reaction. Most of us are pretty open when it comes to vendors both new and old......others find someone and stick with them till the end. Which is fine but when another vendor comes along that starts offering something that might hurt a vendor their loyal too they "stick up" for their vendor no matter what. It's admirable but it also isn't very fair to the other vendor. Not only is it not fair it's also not a smart move. IF you don't want the person to succeed to begin with the last thing you want to do is give that person free publicity bringing them and their product up repeatedly. The smart thing is to let the product hit the market and let people decide for themselves.....IF the product stinks it will fade away IF the product is just as good or maybe better than the vendor your endorsing then it's time for your vendor to take a look at what he or she is offering and make some changes. It's nothing more than healthy competition. It happens every day in this country. I always assumed Magnoli would make a jacket, hat and even a whip. I would be shocked if he didn't. The guy does a great job on everything he offers. Yes, his prices are a little out of my league but that's cool. I still respect him and wish him the best. It should be that way for every (honest) vendor. I don't believe any of us here would give any vendor a free pass no matter who they were. You live or die by your product. I do believe though that this forum allows for a more open and fair discussion that would make vendors both new and old feel more at ease. |
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Post by pitfallharry on Jan 17, 2007 0:45:35 GMT -5
I have a PM from him at COW saying that he was going to be selling them for $199 post paid. What gives? $200! Wow, if that's true then he may have just cornered the jacket market for people who are on a budget. Magnoli is also someone I trust as far as quality goes so that's a great price for something of his. I have a Wested and I agree with the others who say Magnoli's looks a lot like a Wested. If I get another jacket I want one like Todd's. |
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Post by Kt. Templar on Jan 17, 2007 3:22:13 GMT -5
I have a PM from him at COW saying that he was going to be selling them for $199 post paid. What gives? Yup! That seems an appropriate price for a Indian/Chinese made jacket. But indeed it will put the cat amongst the pigeons. |
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Post by garzo on Jan 23, 2007 19:52:39 GMT -5
I don't get it. On Magnoli's site, the jacket is selling for $365. I take it that's US currency as opposed to New Zealand dollars, right?
Does Magnoli make his own jackets or does he outsource them?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2007 20:10:06 GMT -5
As far as I know he outsources almost everything, more of a middle-man. My clothing order shipped directly from Taiwan. However I could be mistaken about some of his other items.
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Post by indianadirk on Jan 24, 2007 7:45:48 GMT -5
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Post by fedoraman on Jan 24, 2007 8:48:38 GMT -5
Looks just like a Wested to me...and if he is getting them from India/China/Pakistan, why is the price so high?
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Post by Ragingblues on Jan 24, 2007 9:39:45 GMT -5
Honestly, I would buy Todd's jacket over this one easily. Instead of looking very much like a Wested, Todd has designed his jacket from the ground up... to look very much like a Raiders jacket. That may sound like a contradiction, but it's not IMO. His cut is already much closer in terms of the look (very G&B/flightsuits looking), and his attention to getting all the screen accurate details right from the beginning make it an easy winner. When the last of the mods are done to his prototype design, his jacket will be the most screen accurate one you can buy, hopefully the same rippled looking leather... and at less money than both Wested and Magnoli. Ken |
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Post by pitfallharry on Jan 24, 2007 9:49:19 GMT -5
So Todd is still actively pursuing the jacket project?
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Post by Ragingblues on Jan 24, 2007 10:00:30 GMT -5
Yes... on a daily basis in fact. He is working over the fine details and John even sent him an Expedition to make some additional comparisons with.
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Post by pitfallharry on Jan 24, 2007 10:10:39 GMT -5
-Whew-  That's good to know. The last official word from Todd was that he wasn't sure if it would be feasible and that kind of had me worried. I read that John sent him his Expedition over at COW but I still wasn't sure if he was going through with it or not. |
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