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Post by GCR on Aug 31, 2007 22:39:31 GMT -5
"Hi Everybody!" "Hi Doctor Nick"Oops...wrong thread...  Anyways, I recently got the chance to cross another item off of my "gear wishlist", thanks to Indyblues, who happened to have a pair of brand new Wested trousers up for sale that were exactly my size. I'd been sporting a pair of 100% cotton, L.L. Bean "dress chinos" in the color "taupe" for the last few years, but they were beginning to show their age. Besides, I'd always wanted a good pair of Indy pants made from 100% wool cavalry twill, and these Westeds fit the bill nicely. They fit as if they were made for me (which they weren't, of course) and the color is great, too...much more pink/tan and less gray than my L.L. Bean chinos. And while the back pocket flap might not be exact, it's closer than the Beans, and that makes it close enough for me!  Pics:   with flash  normal interior lighting, no flash  the Westeds (L) next to my L.L. Bean chinos (R), taken with flash  same as above, but without flash Thanks again, Mike, for the great deal on these! -GCR |
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Post by Ragingblues on Aug 31, 2007 23:06:50 GMT -5
Hi Dr. Nick! I mean Mr. Fancy Pants! I mean..... congrats on finding a pair that fit you well, and at a bargain price! It will be nice to see them with your real deal Indy shirt too.  Ken |
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Post by GCR on Aug 31, 2007 23:32:42 GMT -5
It will be nice to see them with your real deal Indy shirt too. Ken Thanks Ken! By the way, that is actually my MBA shirt in the background of the last two shots. I included it for color comparison purposes, and I had planned on doing an elaborate set of comp pics with the shirt and the two different pairs of pants...blah, blah, blah...but it's late and I got lazy... ;D ;D ;D Now that I've got some new pants, I hope to have some completely new pics of me wearing all of my current gear to add to my gear thread in the photo section sometime this weekend. Stay tuned! -GCR |
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Post by Kaplan on Aug 31, 2007 23:41:37 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet that Mike, you, and I are the same size....All I can say is I am VERY sorry I didn't get a chance to bid against you Griff. ;D Any way, congrats on the new trousers! And the end to another quest! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 23:52:44 GMT -5
Griff, Nice pants Those pants have been all over the place. How do I know that. I bought those from Wested, lost 30 pounds then sold them to Mike before ever wearing them. Now they are FINALLY going to get used. ;D Good-bye Everybody, Dr. Nick |
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Post by Ragingblues on Sept 1, 2007 11:27:53 GMT -5
It will be nice to see them with your real deal Indy shirt too. Ken Thanks Ken! By the way, that is actually my MBA shirt in the background of the last two shots. I included it for color comparison purposes, and I had planned on doing an elaborate set of comp pics with the shirt and the two different pairs of pants...blah, blah, blah...but it's late and I got lazy... ;D ;D ;D Now that I've got some new pants, I hope to have some completely new pics of me wearing all of my current gear to add to my gear thread in the photo section sometime this weekend. Stay tuned! -GCR That's what I get for posting late... I didn't even notice the shirt hanging behind the pants in the last two shots!  Oh well... it will be nice to seem them being worn together in the daylight. How's that for a cover up?  Ken |
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Post by GCR on Sept 1, 2007 12:20:38 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet that Mike, you, and I are the same size....All I can say is I am VERY sorry I didn't get a chance to bid against you Griff. ;D Any way, congrats on the new trousers! And the end to another quest! Thanks Kap! Griff, Nice pants Those pants have been all over the place. How do I know that. I bought those from Wested, lost 30 pounds then sold them to Mike before ever wearing them. Now they are FINALLY going to get used. ;D Good-bye Everybody, Dr. Nick Man! My pants have made more trips around the U.S. than I have! ;D That's pretty funny that these started off with you, John, ended up going to IB, and then found their way to me. These things looked brand new, like they came right from Wested! Hell, they still had the tags on 'em! ;D Forget the traveling Indylounge journal, now we've got the traveling Wested pants instead. ;D Who's next in line for these, anyway? That's what I get for posting late... I didn't even notice the shirt hanging behind the pants in the last two shots! Oh well... it will be nice to seem them being worn together in the daylight. How's that for a cover up? Ken That cover up works for me! Actually, it's my own fault for not bringing it up in the first place! It is kinda hiding out back there. ;D Thanks again everybody!!! -GCR |
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Post by pitfallharry on Sept 1, 2007 18:54:16 GMT -5
Sorry, I know I'm late on this but I wanted to say congrats on getting those pants, GCR!  Those look nice and I can't help but laugh at the comment about the pants travelling more than you do. ;D I never really hear to much about the Wested pants.....everyone always seems to be discussing the different shirts. I like the color of those but I've also grown fond of the color of my Oak Creek and Izod pants...... I think I'm going to try to get a real Indy shirt first. If I see a good deal on a pair of Wested pants in my size I may just go for it.  |
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Post by Brett on Sept 6, 2007 21:17:00 GMT -5
Hey GCR -
Glad to hear you're happy with your Westeds. I too have a pair of Beans (wearing them right now, in fact) but I daresay that once you've had that 100% wool cavalry twill you can never go back!
How do they fit compared to other pants you've owned? What most impressed me when I first received my Westeds was the range of movement they allow--they seem to be roomier and less constrictive than your average pair of pants. For instance, when you crouch down the material just sort of "flows" with your movement rather than stretching out the seams. Here in Japan we clean the school every day after lunch and trust me--it's much more comfortable scrubbing the floor in cavalry twill than it is in cotton Beans! (Again, no disrespect to the folks at L.L. Bean intended.) It's easy to see why they're Indy's "action pants" of choice. In fact I recently climbed Mt. Fuji in my Westeds and I couldn't ask for a more comfortable pair of pants, not to mention that beautiful drape.
Side note - I was so impressed with the Westeds that I later shelled out for two pairs from Noel Howard and WOW. I submit that if you like the Westeds, you'll swoon over the NHs (if the price doesn't knock you cold first). My NHs now get regular service as work pants and the Westeds are my outdoor pair. I'm no pants connoisseur but cavalry twill's the way to go!
Wear those Westeds in good health!
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Post by GCR on Sept 6, 2007 22:18:20 GMT -5
Thanks Brettwebber! I have to agree with your assesment of the Wested pants 100%. They are indeed fine trousers. My pair fits me as if they had been custom tailored, and are very comfortable to wear. The wool is a tad warm for summer wear compared to the cotton Beans, but even so, I was able to wear the Westeds to the office earlier this week without getting heat-stroke. ;D Definitely a good investment if you're in the market for Indy trousers (of course, I didn't have to "invest" the full price thanks to getting them secondhand from IB ). -GCR |
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Post by pitfallharry on Sept 6, 2007 22:30:21 GMT -5
I've got a question. I checked out the pants over at Peter's site and I wanted to know what't the difference between buying the pants with the inside leg "unfinished" or choosing some measurement?
I've always bought all of my pants off the rack so I have no clue what that is.
As far as the full price goes I don't think what they're going for now is a bad price for a pair of "real" Indy pants.
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Post by GCR on Sept 6, 2007 22:41:50 GMT -5
PH - The difference between buying pants with the pant legged hemmed at a specific point and buying them unfinished is this: The "finished" pants have the pant legs hemmed at a certain size depending on inseam. Like a 36 waist size by 30 inseam. That's the way pants come in stores when you buy them. They have the pants hemmed off at preset sizes. These Westeds were "finished" at around a 31 inseam, I believe. The "unfinished" come, well, unfinished. There is no hem on the bottom, so you can take the pants to your tailor and have the pant legs cut and hemmed to whatever size suits you best. The unfinished pants tend to cost less, I belive. Hope that explains it! -GCR |
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Post by Brett on Sept 7, 2007 2:03:46 GMT -5
GCR -
Yeah, you're absolutely right about the warmth factor (the NHs especially as they seem to be made from a heavier grade of fabric). Consequently, my poor Beans have been getting almost daily use for the past two months or so and, like yours, they're beginning to show definite signs of wear. Guess it's time to place another order with Bean and air out my wallet. *sigh*
And I have to agree with Pitfall--a very reasonable price for the quality you're getting.
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Post by Kt. Templar on Sept 7, 2007 3:39:22 GMT -5
Yup, the Wested pants are an excellent deal "if" you are the right size for them! They are currently about half what you would pay for the NH. The NH are a definate step up in finish and SA, but there is nothing wrong with the finish of the Westeds.
As for the fit, in my experience, for a given waist size, the 'pleats' area is a little too generous as is the area around the thighs, this causes a little "balooning", but I get this with most pleated pants. The only way I can get away from this is to buy pants slim, flat fronted or tailor made.
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Post by GCR on Sept 7, 2007 8:18:02 GMT -5
The NH are a definate step up in finish and SA, but there is nothing wrong with the finish of the Westeds. Just a bit curious about this statement, KT. I've never seen a pair of NH in person, so I don't know for sure, but I've heard the NH and Wested are very close in terms of color and style. Also, while neither pair seems to have it nailed, I always thought the Westeds had a better back pocket flap design. I could be wrong on that one, though, as it's been a while since I saw a pair of NH pants. Anyways, are they really all that different?  If so, I had no idea... -GCR |
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Post by Kt. Templar on Sept 7, 2007 9:19:25 GMT -5
The NH are a definate step up in finish and SA, but there is nothing wrong with the finish of the Westeds. Just a bit curious about this statement, KT. I've never seen a pair of NH in person, so I don't know for sure, but I've heard the NH and Wested are very close in terms of color and style. Also, while neither pair seems to have it nailed, I always thought the Westeds had a better back pocket flap design. I could be wrong on that one, though, as it's been a while since I saw a pair of NH pants. Anyways, are they really all that different? If so, I had no idea... -GCR I'm no expert by any means. I got to see Erri's a couple of months ago. The thing I noticed immediately was that the belt loops were more 'finished' They seemed almost to have padding inside them. They are quite "posh" trousers . I hasten to add they were not on his person at the time! . |
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Post by GCR on Sept 7, 2007 9:24:47 GMT -5
Ah, I see...thanks KT! I have to say, I had a pair of NH's on my wishlist years ago, but could never justify the high cost in my own mind. I'd still like to pick up a pair if I ever get lucky and win the lottery ( ;D ), but at least I know that extra money is going somewhere if they're "posh" trousers. BTW - Does anyone know if a good trouser comparison thread has ever been done? I poked around looking for one but didn't have any luck... -GCR |
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Post by Kaplan on Sept 7, 2007 9:37:16 GMT -5
Ah, I see...thanks KT! I have to say, I had a pair of NH's on my wishlist years ago, but could never justify the high cost in my own mind. I'd still like to pick up a pair if I ever get lucky and win the lottery ( ;D ), but at least I know that extra money is going somewhere if they're "posh" trousers. BTW - Does anyone know if a good trouser comparison thread has ever been done? I poked around looking for one but didn't have any luck... -GCR I remember PLATON doing one with some good pictures a while back (over at the other place). Of course, the opinions in the thread would be biased, but pictures speak for themselves. |
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Post by GCR on Sept 7, 2007 9:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by Indy 500 on Sept 8, 2007 23:15:22 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere to get the pants unfinished then leave about four inches inside the pants leg when you get them hemmed to length. This was to give some body and heft to the bottoms of the trousers and make 'em screen accurate.
Four inches seems like a lot... Can anyone confirm or correct this? Maybe it was two inches......
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Post by GCR on Sept 9, 2007 0:40:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere to get the pants unfinished then leave about four inches inside the pants leg when you get them hemmed to length. This was to give some body and heft to the bottoms of the trousers and make 'em screen accurate. Four inches seems like a lot... Can anyone confirm or correct this? Maybe it was two inches...... Hmmm...interesting, I honestly have no clue. I can say that it doesn't appear there is anywhere near that much additional material sewn up in the pant legs of my Westeds, though, and they don't seem any worse because of it... Very interesting indeed... -GCR |
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Post by winstonwolf359 on Sept 9, 2007 2:06:34 GMT -5
Most pants are made with a 36" unfinished inseam, which for most people is plenty of room, even with a military hem. I'm sure if you specify a particular inseam Wested is cutting the leftovers and doing a standard straight hem at about 1", so that's probably why there isn't any extra fabric under there.
I've never heard the weight and drape reason but I think another reason to have a larger hem is to avoid getting in the way of the speed laces on the Aldens.
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Post by Brett on Sept 10, 2007 22:17:21 GMT -5
RE: Westeds vs. NHs - Yes, the NHs are expensive but let's face it, there are two kinds of people in this world: a) those who'll spend $200 on a pair of pants; and b) those who think that (a) people are stark, raving bonkers. To (b) I'll add a sub-category: those who never thought they'd be an (a) person but who also happen to belong to that obsessive, perpetually broke subculture of human known as the Stickler For Screen Accuracy and thus have absolutely no choice in the matter. Are the NHs a more SA and all-round better-quality pair of pants? Yes. Are the Westeds close enough that the other close-enoughs all look like far-enoughs by comparison? Methinks so! Just my two cents. By the way, our SFSA Anonymous meetings are held every Sunday night for those who're interested. Brett |
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Post by indianadirk on Sept 11, 2007 0:02:23 GMT -5
RE: Westeds vs. NHs - Yes, the NHs are expensive but let's face it, there are two kinds of people in this world: a) those who'll spend $200 on a pair of pants; and b) those who think that (a) people are stark, raving bonkers. To (b) I'll add a sub-category: those who never thought they'd be an (a) person but who also happen to belong to that obsessive, perpetually broke subculture of human known as the Stickler For Screen Accuracy and thus have absolutely no choice in the matter. Are the NHs a more SA and all-round better-quality pair of pants? Yes. Are the Westeds close enough that the other close-enoughs all look like far-enoughs by comparison? Methinks so! Just my two cents. By the way, our SFSA Anonymous meetings are held every Sunday night for those who're interested. Brett Actually NH's Prices have gone up insanely high , its not 200 dollars anymore he now asks nearly 300 dollars for his unhemmed pants alone  !!! |
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Post by Brett on Sept 11, 2007 0:10:43 GMT -5
YOW. As I say, every Sunday night.
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