CairoDust
Gear Hauler
Managing with a wool felt POC (looks like above)
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Post by CairoDust on Nov 15, 2011 17:31:36 GMT -5
So... Are the WOS/Truck chase hats really 1 and the same? Because the thought occured to me when I was going to ask G-Mann to add some Truck Chase pics to the Raiders screencaps.
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Nov 15, 2011 19:43:48 GMT -5
WOS?
Steven
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patchcamel
Treasure Seeker
"Don't call me Junior"
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Post by patchcamel on Nov 15, 2011 20:46:42 GMT -5
I am assuming it refers to the Well of Souls.
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Post by djdindy on Nov 16, 2011 5:59:10 GMT -5
Gunslinger has done the most convincing work on the Raiders hat that I've seen. Keep in mind that the WOS stuff was studio based and all the Cario stuff was on location. As I recall Gunslinger has demonstrated convincingly that its the same hat for all the Cario stuff including the truck chase. If I rememeber correctly all the studio stuff comes before Cairo so the hat is relatively unbattered at that stage. I think the Peru stuff is after Cario and is therefore a new hat completely. It was all on the F&G site last time I looked.
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gunslinger
Map Folder
The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.
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Post by gunslinger on Nov 16, 2011 8:57:09 GMT -5
Yes, thanks DJD, by my observation I'm pretty sure Ford just wore 2 hats in the whole movie. The first right the way up to Hawaii, and a second in Hawaii. Beyond the blockshape being much "cleaner", the Hawaii hat has different brim measurements.
Anyway, after shooting the studio scenes including WoS, they really dirtied the main hat up for the flying wing / truck chase shoots, and then basically brushed it off to shoot the SoC scenes afterwards.
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Post by niagrawhipco on Nov 16, 2011 12:00:03 GMT -5
It makes sense. A big part of the concept behind the production of Raiders was that they could film it fast and relatively cheap, which would imply that they could cut down on costs by not having extensive amounts of wardrobe.
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Post by bendingoak on Nov 16, 2011 17:54:00 GMT -5
This is all speculations none of it is fact.
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gunslinger
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The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.
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Post by gunslinger on Nov 17, 2011 1:08:34 GMT -5
Without giving too much away, there are ways of stepping beyond speculation. The images above helped me nail the precise width of the Hawaii hat's brim as opposed to the main hat. (Though please for anyone wanting to break out the scissors, the overlaid hat wasn't quite hero hat brim dimensions.)
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Post by bendingoak on Nov 17, 2011 11:05:57 GMT -5
Its still not fact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 11:08:33 GMT -5
So... Are the WOS/Truck chase hats really 1 and the same? Because the thought occured to me when I was going to ask G-Mann to add some Truck Chase pics to the Raiders screencaps. I no longer have the time or inclination to do screen caps anymore. As a matter of fact I donated my Indiana Jones DVDs to my local public library.
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gunslinger
Map Folder
The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.
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Post by gunslinger on Nov 17, 2011 17:59:14 GMT -5
Its still not fact. [/quote Sorry? What isn't?
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Post by Ragingblues on Nov 17, 2011 20:37:25 GMT -5
Its still not fact. [/quote Sorry? What isn't? Making specific hat measurement assumptions based on screen caps will never be reliable. The formatting of the images throughout the post production process changes perspective, for starters. Ever hear the old expression that the camera (meaning film not video) adds ten pounds? That's perspective being changed from what actually was to what you see in the final product. It's also why movie actresses look slimmer on TV talk shows (shot on video), because you are seeing less of the film widening effect at work. Without citing specific examples to elaborate the point, it means that what you see in a screen cap is not exactly the way the real thing is. So, the best you can get from such attempts is a relative guess.... not an exact method by any measure (pun intended). Comparing hats from different scenes using this method to determine anything, would be just a guess. A guess can also be called, speculation. Without actually being there, one can only speculate on things not documented by the actual crew/production staff at the time of the filming. It's rather hard to squeeze a fact out of such guess work, no matter how well intended it might be. Also, If anyone wants to create screencaps from different scenes in the movies and host them, please feel free to create a thread with the images in it. Neither G-Mann or myself have the time to do such things these days. Ken
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Post by bendingoak on Nov 18, 2011 2:15:31 GMT -5
Ken, well said brotha.
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Post by djdindy on Nov 18, 2011 4:16:59 GMT -5
I have to say that Gunslinger's method works well enough to make a very accurate looking replica of the Raiders hat - so he must be something right. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it's probably a duck. The purpose of all this nonsense we engage in is surely to replicate as best we can what we see on the screen (not how it looked in Ford's trailer)
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Post by Ragingblues on Nov 18, 2011 8:20:29 GMT -5
I have to say that Gunslinger's method works well enough to make a very accurate looking replica of the Raiders hat - so he must be something right. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it's probably a duck. The purpose of all this nonsense we engage in is surely to replicate as best we can what we see on the screen (not how it looked in Ford's trailer) Well, for the record, it's not "his" method... as I've seen several people use screen caps for dimensional guesswork over the past 5 or 6 years for hats and jackets. I don't say that to take anything away from his or anyone else's careful attempts to make what they feel is an accurate piece of gear. I think anything like this helps when it comes to replicating an item we can't hold in our hands. However, no matter how close the result make look to some people, it's still only a best guess. That cannot be passed along as fact, which was the point in question here. Ken
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Nov 18, 2011 14:23:06 GMT -5
Without citing specific examples to elaborate the point, it means that what you see in a screen cap is not exactly the way the real thing is. So, the best you can get from such attempts is a relative guess.... not an exact method by any measure (pun intended). Yet another reason why the accuracy scale in my signature puts Prop Accuracy higher than Screen Accuracy. Steven
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Post by bendingoak on Nov 18, 2011 20:43:45 GMT -5
I have to jump in here. I think the reason the hat in your pics gunslinger is not as wide as the other hats in raiders is because this hat isn't turned.
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