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Post by Kt. Templar on May 1, 2006 14:11:47 GMT -5
 When I last went down to Wested I took a pic of the big rack of skins Peter has there, and it got me thinking. I know the movie jackets were made of lambskin and that todays goat is actually more like the thickness and drape of 80's lamb. But my question is this: is it actually the right leather finish? The tough shiney surface of his modern leather, that many of us try so hard to loose! Acetone, sanding, tumbling in dryers, maybe there is an easier option. If you look at the leather around today much of it has that slightly waxy surface that gives way to a different coloured base. It's known as Pull Up or Oil Pull. What do you guys think of getting a jacket made in this? Would it give an easily self distressing jacket, or is it the modern equivalent of stonewashing!? |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2006 16:06:35 GMT -5
KT, A few years back I could have gotten some great info on this from an old Jacket maker here but he has passed away. KT wrote, "If you look at the leather around today much of it has that slightly waxy surface that gives way to a different coloured base. It's known as Pull Up or Oil Pull. What do you guys think of getting a jacket made in this? Would it give an easily self distressing jacket, or is it the modern equivalent of stonewashing!?" I am kind of lost here, are you asking about buying a jacket that does not have the Pull up or Oil Pull added to the leather? My next question would be: is that type of leather available and can Peter supply it? One thing that I have noticed is how THICK or PUFFY the leather looks in this shot. Or is it just me? This leather at the sleeve opening looks at least twice as thick as any of my Indy jackets.  Cheers, John |
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Post by jweaver on May 1, 2006 16:56:34 GMT -5
John, I think KT may be refering to what we Americans call oiled leather. If so, I posted a similar topic over on COW several months ago. It didn't get to much of a response, but the ones that did reply thought it was an interesting idea and that I should ask Peter. I never followed through since it was just a hair-brained idea of mine at the time.
KT, are we thinking along the same lines?
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Post by Kt. Templar on May 1, 2006 17:22:35 GMT -5
John, I think KT may be refering to what we Americans call oiled leather. If so, I posted a similar topic over on COW several months ago. It didn't get to much of a response, but the ones that did reply thought it was an interesting idea and that I should ask Peter. I never followed through since it was just a hair-brained idea of mine at the time. KT, are we thinking along the same lines? Yup, I had the same hair brained idea.  I may just follow it through if I can persuade him to source an appropriate coloured leather. The stuff he has on the rack is either too tan or a too dark chocolate. I was just wondering if it wood look ok. It's the stuff that if you stretch it a lighter colour shows underneath, and it marks very easily if you scratch it. G-Mann, That sleeve has always bothered me, I have a funny feeling that isn't Ford's hand and they had to fold the sleeve in so it wasn't too long. There are a couple of shots there where I think they used a stand in, as you don't see his face and the body language really does not look like him. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2006 17:31:59 GMT -5
KT, That would explain the wrist opening. Like you it has bothered me for years now. That is one weird thumbnail too in that sleeve shot.  My Lambskin G & B is starting to lose some of that darn shininess now after wearing it everyday for a few months. My Goat Wested is still practically brand new though. I am saving that as a dress up jacket. That leather you speak of sounds like a great material for an Indy Jacket. I would love to see pics of it. Cheers, John |
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Post by jweaver on May 1, 2006 19:29:14 GMT -5
Yup KT, I believe we're talking about the same stuff. I think it would be a wonderful leather for a jacket. It distresses easily and if it gete "over-disttessed" pecards or something similar can fix it! If you talk to Peter about this be sure to let me know what you find out.  G-MANN, the "oiled" leather we're talking about is most commonly used to make bags. Here is a backpack made out of this type of leather: cdn.llbean.com/products/sporting_gear_apparel/42972/images/L42972_Brown.jpgI got one of these last summer. After lookign at the way its distressed I came up with the idea for a jacket of the same leather. It looks like KT was thinking the same. KT, you know what they say; great minds think a like! ;D NOTE: My backpack is darker than the one in the pic. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2006 19:35:27 GMT -5
j,
Thanks, that picture explained everything. I have seen jackets made of that at Sam's Club / Walmart and Sears. They are Heavy weight jackets. I almost bought one for $100.00. The are nice too especially for the price.
It would be interesting to see an Indy Jacket made out of that type of hide.
Cheers,
John
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Post by jweaver on May 1, 2006 20:01:22 GMT -5
Yea, I've never seen a light weight oiled leather. All I've ever seen has been heavy cow hide.
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Post by artifacthorizon on May 1, 2006 22:01:56 GMT -5
Interesting, guys! Not sure what the effects would be down the road. Would you end up with a swirled jacket much like a more defined Pre-distressed Cow or would the "pulled oil" show ONLY when the leather's been scraped or stretched? What does USW use on their antiqued jackets where it's supposed to show weathering easier? Is that a pulled oil leather? uswings.com/g-2.aspSignature Series™ Antique Lambskin G-2 Same stuff? |
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Post by jweaver on May 1, 2006 22:15:04 GMT -5
Arti( ;D), the leather I have in mind would only show distressing from scratches, etc. And if it did become overly distressed you could easily correct it with Pecards or something similar.
As for USW their cow jackets look like a regular pre-distressed hide. Their antique lamb appears to be something different though. I've never seen "oiled" or "oil tanned" leather be made of anything but heavy cow hide. So don't think its hte same leather.
Oh, I just thought of this, a lot of boots are made out of oiled leather.
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Post by artifacthorizon on May 1, 2006 22:36:28 GMT -5
GAH! You guys and the Arti jokes!  I'm still not sure I'm getting the overall look of a pulled jacket. I'm picturing a jacket that might 'fade' beyond a Raiders look. I.E., a swirlier version of a pre-distressed cowhide. Kind of how it gets almost too light in patches. The Raiders (Raiders, mind you, not the other two) wasn't so much faded as it was beaten. There really isn't a lot of color run on that jacket. Oh, that is one wicked looking thumbnail in that picture, isn't it? ::heebie jeebie dance:: Just folded the cuff on my Lambskin....I think you're onto something there, KT. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2006 22:38:30 GMT -5
The more I read this I realized I have a Black leather jacket made of this hide. I never knew exactly what Leather it was made of.
It was a gift but it was SO HEAVY that I could not stand wearing it. It was longer than an Indy Jacket so it had that added weight to it.
j , you are slao correct about the US wings. Their Lambskin is very different I have 1 and Zak has my XL. The 2 allthough they are both supposedly Lambskin looked nothing alike.
Cheers,
John
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Post by artifacthorizon on May 1, 2006 22:44:12 GMT -5
Their lambskin is different in that it's not lambskin, or the hides are inconsistent? J_Weaver, how long are you going to sit in that honky in Chicago and does he put up a fuss about it? (Your signature, man! Your signature.) |
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Post by jweaver on May 1, 2006 23:03:20 GMT -5
Their lambskin is different in that it's not lambskin, or the hides are inconsistent? J_Weaver, how long are you going to sit in that honky in Chicago and does he put up a fuss about it? (Your signature, man! Your signature.) ;D HA! Perhaps I should modify the lyrics and add "tonk" after honky!? ;D Ah, man, have you never heard that Dean Martin song, "little Ole Wine Drinker Me"? Little Ole Wine Drinker Me Dean Martin "I'm praying for rain in California So the grapes can grow and they can make more wine And I'm sitting in a honky in Chicago With a broken heart and a woman on my mind I matched the man behind the bar for the jukebox And the music takes me back to Tennessee When they ask who's the fool in the corner crying I say the little ole wine drinker me I came here last week from down in Nashville 'Cause my baby left for Florida on a train I thought I'd get a job and just forget her But in Chicago, the broken heart's just the same I matched the man behind the bar for the jukebox And the music takes me back to Tennessee When they ask who's the fool in the corner crying I say it's the little ole wine drinker me I say the little ole wine drinker me" Anywho, it seems like as good a place to be as any!  |
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Post by artifacthorizon on May 1, 2006 23:19:57 GMT -5
Their lambskin is different in that it's not lambskin, or the hides are inconsistent? J_Weaver, how long are you going to sit in that honky in Chicago and does he put up a fuss about it? (Your signature, man! Your signature.) ;D HA! Perhaps I should modify the lyrics and add "tonk" after honky!? ;D Ah, man, have you never heard that Dean Martin song, "little Ole Wine Drinker Me"? Little Ole Wine Drinker Me Dean Martin "I'm praying for rain in California So the grapes can grow and they can make more wine And I'm sitting in a honky in Chicago With a broken heart and a woman on my mind I matched the man behind the bar for the jukebox And the music takes me back to Tennessee When they ask who's the fool in the corner crying I say the little ole wine drinker me I came here last week from down in Nashville 'Cause my baby left for Florida on a train I thought I'd get a job and just forget her But in Chicago, the broken heart's just the same I matched the man behind the bar for the jukebox And the music takes me back to Tennessee When they ask who's the fool in the corner crying I say it's the little ole wine drinker me I say the little ole wine drinker me" Anywho, it seems like as good a place to be as any! No, no, my friend. You've justified the lyrics and the signature. No need to alter it. Just goes to show I need more edjikashin and kulcher! It's funny but this has all reminded me of a lesser-known song I heard. Starts off with: I'm prayin' for a brain in Arizona  |
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Post by jweaver on May 1, 2006 23:25:52 GMT -5
Youve got me thinking now, I might have to modify it a bit. ;D EDIT: I think we just hijacked our first thread! |
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Post by artifacthorizon on May 1, 2006 23:30:08 GMT -5
No, but it's a good start! ;D I believe G-MANN hijacked his own AB thread a few posts back.  LOL! Sorry. With the lyrics up there it's less of a bizarre image to me now. |
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Post by Kt. Templar on May 2, 2006 1:53:51 GMT -5
Hi hijacking back. The stuff I am thinking of is actually the same thickness as the lambskin, I think it actually is lambskin and as smooth as lambskin. Ok, next time I'm over there I work on him a bit. The surface I'm talking about is more like the leather on www.renaissance-art.com bags.  |
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Post by jweaver on May 2, 2006 8:35:43 GMT -5
I think this is an interesting idea. guess all thats left is to see what Peter says. |
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Post by Kt. Templar on May 20, 2006 17:13:45 GMT -5
Well I went over and he showed me some samples. There's a very nice cowhide that I like with a pullup surface, it's a little thick and a little too light/warm coloured. But he says they mught be able to get it darker and thinner. Fingers crossed. I marks sooo easily, it would be a fab self distressing jacket! ;D
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Post by Ragingblues on May 20, 2006 17:48:49 GMT -5
I don't know how I completely missed this thread Anyway, I'm hoping the samples Peter gets you, are what you are describing. It sounds like a nice choice. The J Crew Duxbury Ruggeds are made of soft oiled leather, and they do scratch up nicely. They feel like a baseball glove, in terms of the leather itself. Ken |
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Post by jweaver on May 21, 2006 21:05:10 GMT -5
Keep us posted on how this works out. This project really has my interest! What did Peter think of the idea? |
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Post by Kt. Templar on May 22, 2006 16:37:24 GMT -5
Will do. He seems fairly ameanable to these little experiments. He knows I'm good for it. And if all goes well there might be another item he can offer. He did say that people don't usually use that leather for jackets becuse it marks so easily ;D. I think I may have been a little help in encouraging him to do his War of the Worlds jacket and his Doctor Who too. Are there any other film jackets we'd like to see? |
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