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Post by Kt. Templar on Jul 16, 2006 17:39:07 GMT -5
I know a lot of people have a problem with VP I've been upset by one of his answers to me in the past but that's by the by. This may be preventing people from posting in this whip thread.
Personally, I think that's one of the nicest whips I've seen in a long time, if it's not screen accurate please let me know where. As he is not a member here how about giving an opinion of the whip without the baggage?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2006 18:05:55 GMT -5
Do you really want to know the truth? Yes, its a nice whip, but I really don't feel like posting a reply to him. I dont know about you guys, but I've had enough of VP and his snide remarks to me and others, while the Admin at COW seem to do nothing about it. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I am at the end of my rope with VP.
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Post by wolf on Jul 16, 2006 18:11:42 GMT -5
I know how you feel, Hes given some really negative and snippy responses to some in the past. I used to think he was just kidding around when he said things, but lately it seems like he is just a jerk, and he acts like he owns the place sometimes. Personally, Ive always gotten along with him. So, onto the whip. if you take the picture and compare it with a screen used morgan, The knots stick very close to the handle foundation, and the thong looks to be much larger than the morgan, the handle is pretty short compare to the morgan. And of course, the taper is diffrent, but thats because of the strand width.
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Post by Kt. Templar on Jul 16, 2006 18:14:11 GMT -5
Do you really want to know the truth? Yes, its a nice whip, but I really don't feel like posting a reply to him. I dont know about you guys, but I've had enough of VP and his snide remarks to me and others, while the Admin at COW seem to do nothing about it. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I am at the end of my rope with VP. Yes, Stella, I know. But like I said let's talk about the whip in this thread not VP. By the way guys you all know that Binks wife is still in Lebanon don't you? Maybe you'd like to send him a little PM of support? I can imagine he is at the end of his tether. Don't tell him I sent you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2006 18:25:39 GMT -5
KT, I understand perfectly. Listen, I'm not trying to be funny ok. I just wanted to express my views. It is a beautiful whip. "And I even like the colour" I think that Bink said that his wife won't be back until August time. I guess he really must me missing her.
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Post by indianatone on Jul 16, 2006 18:31:59 GMT -5
I'm not a bullwhip buff, but to my eyes that bullwhip looks freakin' awesome!
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Post by wolf on Jul 16, 2006 18:45:20 GMT -5
I'm not a bullwhip buff, but to my eyes that bullwhip looks freakin' awesome! It deffinatly is a fine whip, but to the "screen geeks" its not perfect. Personally, it looks awsome, I dont care about the accuracy at all.
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Post by indianatone on Jul 16, 2006 18:47:57 GMT -5
I'm not a bullwhip buff, but to my eyes that bullwhip looks freakin' awesome! It deffinatly is a fine whip, but to the "screen geeks" its not perfect. Personally, it looks awsome, I dont care about the accuracy at all. Looks like we're in the same gear boat then. If my eye doesn't pause long enough on a piece of gear to question it, it works.
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Post by Alabama Jones on Jul 16, 2006 22:55:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I am at the end of my rope with VP. Perhaps, my dear, you would prefer him at the end of your whip? ;D That really is a beautiful whip. Strain is definately one of, if not, the best in biz right now. His Turk's head knot is still a little different, but that in no way diminishes the fact he's making a quality, gorgeous looking whip. I probably wouldn't have sold mine, if it was in a more natural color with the bigger knot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2006 15:51:51 GMT -5
I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I am at the end of my rope with VP. Perhaps, my dear, you would prefer him at the end of your whip? ;D Bama, I'd much prefer you at the end of my whip, or considering your whip skills to mine, perhaps I should be at the end of your whip, that is, Willie scott style...
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Post by jweaver on Jul 17, 2006 18:06:40 GMT -5
I know nothing about whip, but it sure looks nice! I dont know about you guys, but I've had enough of VP and his snide remarks to me and others, while the Admin at COW seem to do nothing about it. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I am at the end of my rope with VP. I've personally never had a problem with him. The old boy does have his own brand of humor that can be hard to catch over the net. Especially since he doesn't use smilies.
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Post by Tyrloch on Jul 18, 2006 19:39:09 GMT -5
True, Strain makes one Hell of a fine whip -- one of the best makers out there...but for those who are going for screen accuracy, which I understand is not all of us, his whips are close, but not exact. His whips are a lot closer that Morgan's current offering, but not as close as someone like Bernardo, or Ben Scott when he was still making whips. Some people think that any whip is close enough, for some it must be at least the same shape or # of plaits, for others it has to be made by the 'man' who made them for the films...whatever makes you happy. If you like the way it looks & cracks, then that's all that matters. I've seen individuals go nuts over the bash in their fedora, whatever the maker, or go absolutely bonkers over the distressing of their jacket -- all in the name of 'screen accuracy'. So why not let the 'whip geeks' have their moment as well? I personally love a whip that mirrors the ones seen in the films, but can also appreciate the ones that are not only close, but works of art in their own right. My favorite bullwhip is a 9ft all black whip with a 14" handle made by Mike Murphy. It totally blows the american style bullwhip away in target accuracy, technical cracking, etc. But when I look for an Indy whip, the criteria is a bit different. I'm going for a look, not necessarily the most [target] accurat whip ever made. If Indy had known that a longer handled whip would be more accurate, he may have took a trip Down Under!! What I'm trying to say is this: everyone has a different piece of gear that is their favorite -- let everyone enjoy what they like the most. No offense taken here, but not all are armor plated!
~Jace
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Post by Railok on Jul 28, 2006 16:33:50 GMT -5
First off: VP no förtjänar whip. And then: Wonderful whip!
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Post by drtyree on Aug 12, 2006 10:52:02 GMT -5
VP does seem to go out of his way to be a jerk. Anytime someone posts a pic of a new piece of gear, look who seems to be the first in line to find fault with it 90% of the time. So, although Joe Strain is THE MAN and his whips are incredible, it didn't surprise me that VP's post met with resounding silence and even a barrage of "it's not screen accurate"-fire. If it had been anybody else's whip, I expect folks would have said things like, "wow, cool whip."
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Post by pitfallharry on Aug 12, 2006 10:58:01 GMT -5
Well, regardless of who owns that whip it is awesome. If I ever get a second whip someday I'm going to make sure Strain makes it.
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Post by pagey on Aug 12, 2006 12:00:37 GMT -5
I love Joe's whips - and received a new one yesterday. Soon as the rain lets up I'll be posting some pics. It's a bit different to VPs as I asked Joe to follow the pattern of the older Morgans. As such it has a fairly long, tapered handle. Just how I like it. Joe is consistently excellent so you alway know you'll be getting a great whip from him.
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Post by pagey on Aug 15, 2006 12:32:13 GMT -5
Here's a pic: Compared to one of my whips:
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Post by Steve on Aug 15, 2006 14:34:05 GMT -5
The darker ring above the handle seems to be missing in the Strain whips. Are we talking Raiders here or just "in general?"
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Post by pagey on Aug 15, 2006 14:45:07 GMT -5
I'm sure Joe would put a darker knot on if you asked him. He's very accomodating.
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Post by Marc on Aug 16, 2006 0:25:58 GMT -5
Going by these pictures, I honestly can't see, why I ever should get a Strain, now that I've got the last Pagey. No insult to Joe, his whips looks outstanding and top of the art. But - again going by the pictures, as I have never seen a Strain in real life - Pagey's whips are just as good as that! I absolutely love mine! Yesterday I got to crack it the first time in the handling area at work (was raining again all day - so I had to stay inside). I haven't touched a whip for over a year now, since the last European summit from COW, but this baby gave a loud and clear crack at the first shot. It's light, fast, loud and dense and I'm so much looking forward for some better weather this weekend Hats off to Pagey! If he can do THAT within a year, what would his whips look like in ten years?! - Ah well, we'll never know and as hard as it is, but even I'm about to accept his decission. Regards, Marc
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Post by pagey on Aug 16, 2006 2:52:40 GMT -5
Ah, you flatter me. I can't really judge my own work - but I've owned a lot of whips by a lot of the major makers, including Morgan - and I can say I don't prefer any other whipmaker over Joe. Of course that's personal opinion only.
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Post by Marc on Aug 16, 2006 4:32:07 GMT -5
Just givin' an honest opinion here. Trust me, if this would look like crap to me, I'd call it just that. Asskissing won't bring me anywhere, so I have no reason to even think about it.¨
I've seen plenty Bernado's on COW lately... have you ever seen one of those close up Pagey (or anyone else)? Seems to look nice, I only don't like how the plaits overlap each other... But he seems to be as obsesses with screen accuracy as Pagey. Comments?
Regards,
Marc
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Post by pagey on Aug 16, 2006 4:57:54 GMT -5
I think Bernardo is very influenced by David Morgan, and I know that he really likes the modern Morgan whips (we've talked at length about these things) - as such, he cuts his strands wider than Joe or even Adam Winrich. One of the things I DON'T like about the modern Morgan is the very wide strands. They are currently cut SO wide that they don't actually fit the core. That, to me, is taking things too far. But that's Morgan's style which has gradually evolved. The Australian tradition is much finer, and Morgan's earlier whips had narrower strands and finer braiding. this is why I like Joe's whips in particular. He's making the kind of whips that Morgan made in the 80s - but probably even better. Think of a modern reconstruction of a classic sports car
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Post by pagey on Aug 16, 2006 5:03:49 GMT -5
Actually i should add, I've owned 2 Bernardo whips but also sold them on again. The first was a raiders whip that was made for me but turned out to be too light (in weight). Next I bought a 10ft from Doc Rivierra - only because it was in france and the price was good. Unfortunately it again was a little light for me and too loosely braided. This last point is, I think, a problem with cowhide - it stretches more with use than roohide does. I suspect the whip was originally tightly braided but stretched out through use. I've not tried one of his roohide whips but I'm sure it would be a very decent whip, and preferable over cowehide
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Post by Marc on Aug 16, 2006 5:08:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the honest an detailed answer!
Regards,
Marc
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