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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 23, 2009 14:15:29 GMT -5
I'm sure a lot are well known... just we are starting to focus on different details these days, ripples in the leather, whether the yoke is forwards or falls back, and the shape of the zipper pull. Check these out.    |
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Post by Mac on Mar 24, 2009 15:23:49 GMT -5
Hey KT those are cool! Where did you get them?   - Mac |
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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 24, 2009 15:52:01 GMT -5
Just a random google, as they used to say. The truth is out there. Don't you think lot of people have stopped looking with their eyes, and seem to be blinded by hype? |
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Post by Sapito on Mar 24, 2009 18:46:13 GMT -5
Don't you think lot of people have stopped looking with their eyes, and seem to be blinded by hype? With the better choices out there now, a lot of people have gotten tired of throwing money at junk jackets. |
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Post by Ragingblues on Mar 24, 2009 19:32:11 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, which jackets do you consider to be junk?
Ken
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Post by Sapito on Mar 24, 2009 21:03:26 GMT -5
First I'd like to know what "hype" is out there and who's stopped looking?
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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 24, 2009 23:52:32 GMT -5
I'm talking about the jacket made out of material so weak that it rips like paper. The one that costs twice as much as the nearest competitor. The one sold on hours of phone flannel, but once sold cannot be returned if faulty. The one you get sworn at profusely if you are not an American and try and return it. The one that is still sitting in the shop waiting for repair several months after being sent back. The one sold with a sheaf of photocopied autographs and a pillowcase with a counterfeit trademark on it.
That one.
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Post by WHU1964 on Mar 25, 2009 5:48:45 GMT -5
I'm talking about the jacket made out of material so weak that it rips like paper. The one that costs twice as much as the nearest competitor. The one sold on hours of phone flannel, but once sold cannot be returned if faulty. The one you get sworn at profusely if you are not an American and try and return it. The one that is still sitting in the shop waiting for repair several months after being sent back. The one sold with a sheaf of photocopied autographs and a pillowcase with a counterfeit trademark on it. That one. KT sounds like you are talking from personal experience, if so who sold you that jacket?  |
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Post by Sapito on Mar 25, 2009 11:10:54 GMT -5
KT, sounds like this is very personal for you. Are you losing money off of this?
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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 25, 2009 13:06:08 GMT -5
Just putting all the facts in one place. The jacket was Pagey's it is well documented on the boards. Are we clear on which jacket I am talking about mmmmm? And no, I didn't buy one. I have however inspected one and tried it on for 10 or so mins to get the feel of it. The one I inspected was not Pagey's. |
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Post by Sapito on Mar 25, 2009 13:42:48 GMT -5
How about the one you inspected? Did it rip like paper too? I find it hard to believe as there have probably been more than one jacket and if that bad they would all get returned.
There are more than one side to a story so I have to take your comments with that in mind and also in mind it seems you are associated with one jacket maker yourself.
As far as counterfit trademarks, I'd like to see that because I don't know why someone would sell a pillowcase.
I got a Wested jacket I later found out came from China (or someplace where there's slave labor) and it came with a Certificate proclaming it's cut from the Raiders of the Lost Ark pattern. Since the jacket didn't look like Indy's in many ways I searched online and found out those patterns were lost/thrown away a long time ago and these jackets aren't really copies of anything authentic.
Mine wasn't even made in England and when I got it they said on the website they make the jackets in England like the originals. Add to that that the stitching was like shirt thread and frayed and the whole thing was more like a windbreaker than a true leather jacket.
I've owned a few leather jackets in my days including a custom Navy jacket and the Wested jacket was not even able to be compared. Then I asked directly for one made in England as I thought it would be better so I goat a goat jacket and it was still nearly the same. I sent it back and got a refund but paid for shipping. I've kept the Chinese one and have sanded it for practice.
Buyer beware.
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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 25, 2009 13:58:57 GMT -5
If you think that looked like a windbreaker... get a Todd's I dare you! LOL
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Post by Sapito on Mar 25, 2009 14:12:14 GMT -5
I have heard Todd is a good jacket but light like a shower curtain. Althought the price is half of what I paid so I guess it it all worked out in the end. Todd's probably come from China but so are a lot of things and good things too.
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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 25, 2009 14:20:01 GMT -5
The whole Chinese workers are slaves is US propaganda. Without the cheap products out of China a vast majority of goods you see in shops would not exist or would be vastly more expensive.
The otr Westeds are made in India.
Todds are made in Pakistan.
OTRs are great for vendors and for buyers, they get more affordable jackets and the vendors get better margins.
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Post by crismans on Mar 25, 2009 15:20:56 GMT -5
Basically, some feel that there's only one jacket vendor to buy from and all others have something wrong with them or are inferior in some way.
I like a variety myself.
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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 25, 2009 15:28:04 GMT -5
Hey Cris.
Not at all, like you noted. Wings are sized for the bigger guys and will fit some better off the bat.
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Post by Ragingblues on Mar 25, 2009 15:29:49 GMT -5
Basically, some feel that there's only one jacket vendor to buy from and all others have something wrong with them or are inferior in some way. I like a variety myself. Amen. Variety gives choice while, being led around by the hose like a pack animal does not. If more people formed their own opinions based on observation and research instead of going along with the herd, they might be happier with their purchases. Ken |
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Post by New Yorker Jones on Mar 25, 2009 15:56:15 GMT -5
Looks like the Hulk "over there" is up to his old tricks again. |
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Post by Sapito on Mar 25, 2009 16:05:51 GMT -5
The whole Chinese workers are slaves is US propaganda. Sure, US propaganda. No sweat shops in India or China. Great working conditions and all superior products. I wanted a jacket made in the UK, like the original, not thousands of miles away in Mumbai and not even in the US. You have brought up the US twice now and even someone making jackets who yells at people who aren't Americans(  ?). |
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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 25, 2009 16:09:28 GMT -5
No sweat shops in NY?
Common....
The many factories in China make the ones in the US look antiquated. That's what's been scaring the US for the last few years. Like Japan only far, far bigger.
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Post by Sapito on Mar 25, 2009 16:32:56 GMT -5
US sweat shops run by Indians and Chinese, especially. At least we don't block the Internet when we host the Olympics for fear of what the world may find out.
Sounds like you won't address what I said about being sold a UK jacket made in India. That's been my point.
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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 25, 2009 17:11:16 GMT -5
And Italians and Greeks and Irish, why not bring them into it too...
Yes, Peter should have stated from the outset that the cheaper jackets were not UK made. It took a few weeks for him to post that.
But what did you expect, 1/3rd off for no reason? Did it have a made in England flag in it?
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Post by Sapito on Mar 25, 2009 17:59:17 GMT -5
No, and no MADE IN INDIA flag either. It took 3 or 4 emails and finally a phone call to be told some jackets aren't made by Wested. This was last summer.
About the 1/3rd off, SPECIAL OFFER translates into SALE PRICE and not IMPORTED.
As far as the ripped jacket, that was months ago and you'll see I agreed with Pagey that was wrong treatment. Why dig up something that old when I've seen nothing else that happened like that? Are other people having that problem? And is a jacket that costs $1,000 hurting the sales of $300 jackets?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 18:01:44 GMT -5
I doubt that TN is taking many sales away from any of the other vendors with a $1,000.00 Price tag.
At that price he can keep it. I have plenty of great jackets that cost less than 1/2 of that price.
John
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Post by Kt. Templar on Mar 25, 2009 18:06:01 GMT -5
It makes no difference to me what either vendors sales are like. Well slightly, I like Peter as a person, so I like it if he does well. And last time I looked there is still a right to free association on both sides of the Atlantic.
90% of his sales are to non forum people. It doesn't make a lot of difference I think.
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