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Post by mwp on Nov 1, 2008 14:25:34 GMT -5
eBay seller has this hand-modded Indy gun for sale. He claims gun made from an org. airsoft and is full metal inc. the frame (except for the ABS grips) I have never seen a fully metal airsoft revolver. Also says his gun is much better than Todd's conversion and cheaper. The pictures are blurry and small, but looking at his hand, the gun looks much smaller than a full size revolver..more like a starter pistol, yet he says it is a deactivated gas airsoft.. Has anyone bought or know about this seller? Comments??? Is he a member here? If he is, I don't see any posts about this gun. Here is the http link and item # cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180302593510&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching Indiana Jones Prop All Metal Revolver Gun !!L@@k!!!!!!Item number: 180302593510 |
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Post by GCR on Nov 2, 2008 0:09:30 GMT -5
Hmmm, I've never seen this one before. The gun looks similar to the HFC / Bell S&W M10 airsoft, but to my knowledge neither the HFC or the Bell has an all metal frame. I'm not sure how this guy pulled that off. I'm also a bit skeptical about the lack of decent pics. If you're remotely interested in this gun, I'd request some better detail shots (and clarification on the metal frame issue) first.
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Post by mwp on Nov 2, 2008 2:09:25 GMT -5
I did and he said he would, but no pics in my in box as yet... As far as FULL metal revolvers, it seems the Bell G718 METAL Gas Revolver Pistol, Magnum Edition is a newer version that HAS a metal frame. "This airsoft gas revolver is extremely realistic, featuring METAL parts and other high end features:
- METAL barrel
- METAL trigger
- METAL front sights
- One to one (1:1) scale, high performace assembled Gas Pistol
- Weighs in at 3 pounds with box
* Features functional safety switch and functional blowback operation
Operation: Gas Revolver
Firing Modes: Semi-automatic
Muzzle Velocity: 220-230 FPS
Magazine: 6 shells; 6 round capacity
Body: Full metal body, full metal slide and barrel
Weight: 3 pounds
Ammo type: 0.12g, 0.20gram seamless bbs
Package includes: Pistol, instruction manual, magazine, pack of bbs
If you can believe the blurb. I can only find it from this site: www.airsoftmegastore.com/Bell_Metal_Magnum_Gas_Revolver_Pistol_p/eg718.htmTake a look and let me know what you think... Living in CA, I have just had a rude awakening how hard it is to purchase a hand gun, even if it is a vintage relic.. That is the ONLY reason I would ever think of buying an airsoft... and yes.. I know it has a longer barrel, but I'd rather have that than plastic... If I DO get the gun, I am wondering if I could get vintage wooden grips that would fit? |
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Post by GCR on Nov 2, 2008 12:53:45 GMT -5
That gun (from the link you provided) and the price that goes with it LOOK awfully good (it appears to be yet another copy of the S&W M10 with the heavy barrel). There are a few things in the description that make me a bit confused, though. With the box the whole rig only weighs in at 3 pounds? That seems light considering how much other stuff is in the box, if this gun is supposed to be "full metal". I'm not well versed in "airsoft terminology", but in regular gun lingo, "safety switch" and "blowback" are not terms commonly associated with revolvers.  Full metal slide? Since when do revolvers have slides? That's a term used with semi-automatic pistols, not revolvers. It seems like there may be a few discrepancies in these details. If I were you, I would email this place to make sure all this info is accurate before buying. If it is, I would jump on this gun at that price. Even if some of the info is wrong, and this is the same gun as the regular HFC or Bell, I would still buy it there since it's about $15 bucks less.  Whatever you do, I would NOT pay $135 for the one on Ebay!  Especially when you can buy a new one and just attach a lanyard loop yourself. |
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Post by mwp on Nov 2, 2008 20:42:17 GMT -5
Yeah..I was going to, tomorrow.
I just hope the person answering the phone knows about the gun and isn't just some phone order taker...
By slide they MAY mean the ejector rod which in previous guns were metal...
The thing that bothers me is that the box is identical to the metal/ABS gun..it doesnt say, that i can make out, FULL METAL , or Vs. 2 or new, improved....
But then, it is a Chinese gun and they probable didn't want to make up new labels...
I jus hope the person I talk to really knows if the gun is truly a full metal, newer version.
BTW, on your gun, did you ever try to find wooden grips that might fit?
With wooden grips the gun would be killer!!
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Post by GCR on Nov 3, 2008 0:25:51 GMT -5
Yeah..I was going to, tomorrow. I just hope the person answering the phone knows about the gun and isn't just some phone order taker... By slide they MAY mean the ejector rod which in previous guns were metal... The thing that bothers me is that the box is identical to the metal/ABS gun..it doesnt say, that i can make out, FULL METAL , or Vs. 2 or new, improved.... But then, it is a Chinese gun and they probable didn't want to make up new labels... I jus hope the person I talk to really knows if the gun is truly a full metal, newer version. BTW, on your gun, did you ever try to find wooden grips that might fit? With wooden grips the gun would be killer!! I do know that the Bell airsoft I purchased was also sold as a "full metal" version, and it is not remotely "full metal". The barrel, trigger, ejector rod, hammer, and cylinder release are all metal, but everything else (frame, cylinder, grips) is ABS. There are a pair of metal (lead?) weights hidden behind the grips to give the gun more heft, and the dummy shells that come with it are also metal (but don't weigh as much as real cartidges, of course) but even with the grip weights and the shells loaded, the gun is still MUCH lighter than a real firearm. I really think they use the term "full metal" a bit too loosely. I looked around a little for wooden grips but couldn't find any at a decent price. I wasn't about to shell out big bucks for real grips to put on a fake gun, especially since I couldn't find any that looked enough like the style of grips used on the HE2 from Raiders. (That's the same reason I didn't go out of my way to find a real lanyard loop and instead just made my own instead out of spare parts I had kickin' around my house.) Rather than replace them, I just weathered and distressed the grips to make them look more like old and worn wood grips (and less like obvious plastic grips with a wood-grain pattern). |
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Post by mwp on Nov 3, 2008 2:41:54 GMT -5
Hmmm...I sure hope I can find out for sure about this tomorrow
I didn't think that wooden grips would be THAT expensive...of course I wouldn't need them to be S & W grips, just a generic grip with roughly the same dimensions.
Too bad Indy just didn't use an old Colt "Peace-maker" 6-shooter..than there would be replicas and parts galore...
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Post by mwp on Nov 3, 2008 22:27:52 GMT -5
Update***
I spoke to a guy at Airsoft Megastore and he assured me that the revolver is indeed a new, upgraded full metal version.
I kept asking him, "are you SURE the frame is metal, the WHOLE gun is metal except the grips?'
He said yes, so I went ahead and bought it. It came to a total of $64. with CA sales tax and UPS shipping.
I should have it around the end of the week if they ship promptly.
I will update again then.
If the gun is indeed all metal, all I would have to do would be to find a lanyard swivel ring at maybe a gun store near me, take off the grips and figure out a way to bolt it in place..
The easiest would be to remove the obstructing (?) gas chamber, and just drill a hole and bolt it with a screw and a nut.
Then, I may replace the grips for wooden ones if I can find them, or f aux paint "age" the grips and spray with flat finish if I keep the plastic ones.
Later, I may try to "wear" the metal parts of the gun a bit, but knowing Chinese made things, it should happen by itself without too much trouble.
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Post by mwp on Nov 7, 2008 22:57:57 GMT -5
OK...got the gun..I am pretty disappointed...
It is not a newer, better quality, but similar to the description of the cheaper revolvers...
The only things metal, and I 'm not too sure about this, was the barrel and ejector.
The frame is ABS, and no metal or anything that feels like it. Even the cylinder was plastic!
I am not sure about the trigger or hammer, but they are such small parts anyway.
Another bad thing is that unlike some photo I got off here awhile ago, the grip frame is not metal, but ABS with weights.
A pic I have showing the air tank removed in order to put on a lanyard ring was clearly a inner metal frame and an outer black (maybe ABS) frame.
Even worse is that I would have to dismantle the whole gun to remove the air tank.
that being said...it does look fairly real, and if I touch it up per the tutorial posted here it will at least look good.
Considering that I paid $49. and Todd's Tanaka gun is $200. and who knows how much better that gun is... I guess I shouldn't be too unhappy...
My BIGGEST disappointment came when I was researching for deactivated real revolvers and found a bunch of S&W 1917's and Webley's all on British websites for almost double what a firing US gun would cost...
Why can't I find any deactivated guns in the US??? There must be some people that want a collectible pistol, but not have to go through hoops to get it...
The real corker is that I found aEbley revolver mk2 with lanyard ring (a .38. not a .455) for only $250. on GUNSAMERICA from a pawn shop in SoCal but the ad said cannot be shipped WITHIN CA!!!! EVEN to another dealer...
I called them and they said it wasn't on some sort of list to be sold in CA..
It made no sense to me.... He said, even if someone bought it for me and it was shipped to another state, I couldn't legally bring it into CA because I would have to show a curio certification which he could not find on some dumb CA list...
Yet, I probably could buy an AK-47 at the corner 7-11 for $500 bucks!!!!!
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Post by GCR on Nov 7, 2008 23:27:36 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that you're disappointed. Of course, based what you were expecting after doing the research on this model, I certainly don't blame you for being kinda sore. From what you've described, the gun sound a LOT like the airsoft version I have. Considering you paid a few bucks less for it, I'd say you made out OK. Of course, it still sucks that it isn't what you expected. Speaking of things that suck, what is with all of the half-assed gun ownership rules out there in CA (and other places)? Are they aware of a little thing called the U.S. Constitution with that second ammendment so many people would like us all to forget about? I mean, damn...it should not be that hard for an honest, law abiding, tax-paying citizen to get an antique firearm for collector purposes, provided they clear the appropriate background check and wait the required amount of time.  |
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Post by mwp on Nov 8, 2008 4:28:35 GMT -5
Yeah....living in CA!!!!!!! I was really into black powder years ago...so I could by any old musket or pistol with no license or problems...but now...I don't mind the waiting period etc. but the EXTRA fees which can add up to $200. if I have to have a gun sent from one FFL to another....
And to find out that a gun which is in a pawn shop in LA cannot be sold to a law abiding, over 21, no criminal record citizen because I live in CALIFORNIA EVEN THOUGH THAT'S where the gun ALREADY IS!!! ..is absurd...like Alice Through the Looking Glass...
...and then, ok, I just want a real gun..who cares if it can fire or not..so now I see tons of Indy type pistols on the net...but, not only are they from GB, but they cost 2X the price of the unaltered guns in the US...
...and of course, no one in the US makes any faux deco Indy revolver though they have plenty of old west 6 shooters, and Civil War revolvers....yeah, I would take even one of those decorators if it was made of real metal and had moving parts...but NO...my only option is to spend $110. bucks for a rubber gun.......
Maybe I shouldn't buy a real gun, because I really so feel like shooting some one over in Sacramento......but I guess I will have to settle with hitting some state congressman over the head with the rubber one, or maybe one of those rubber chickens for good measure!
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Post by New Yorker Jones on Nov 8, 2008 8:21:39 GMT -5
Like I posted in another thread, what do people do with the Indy guns they get? You can barely see it in the holster; you can't dare wear it out at a convention. So besides looking good taking pics and spending a lot of money for something that's hardly used, the only thing I can say is to display it. Is that what a lot of people do?
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Post by mwp on Nov 8, 2008 11:24:54 GMT -5
Like I posted in another thread, what do people do with the Indy guns they get? You can barely see it in the holster; you can't dare wear it out at a convention. So besides looking good taking pics and spending a lot of money for something that's hardly used, the only thing I can say is to display it. Is that what a lot of people do? Well, if I could get a real gun, I would use it on any black burka'd aarab that was trying to assault me with a saber... ..or if any one tried to break into my house, I would quickly put on my Indy hat and jacket, and stand there waiting......... Actually, what do the Brits do with those deactivated guns that cost hundreds of pounds? They can't go out in the street with them... What can you do with a rare book, esp one that you have many different editions of... I think the point is like any valued, admired object one has..even if you keep in in a curio cabinet... it is just the idea that you are holding an Indy gun, or a look a like.. Being a collector of many things, I can't explain it..I called them treasures, object 'd art, my wife calls them junk,, or dust collectors... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 11:31:08 GMT -5
Like I posted in another thread, what do people do with the Indy guns they get? You can barely see it in the holster; you can't dare wear it out at a convention. So besides looking good taking pics and spending a lot of money for something that's hardly used, the only thing I can say is to display it. Is that what a lot of people do? I store and age Cheese in my holster. ;D Cheers, John |
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Post by GCR on Nov 8, 2008 14:12:06 GMT -5
Like I posted in another thread, what do people do with the Indy guns they get? You can barely see it in the holster; you can't dare wear it out at a convention. So besides looking good taking pics and spending a lot of money for something that's hardly used, the only thing I can say is to display it. Is that what a lot of people do? Well, personally I'd like to get my hands on a genuine HE2 just to have one, as I'm firearms enthusiast anyway. The expense (not just of the gun but also the added expense of all the mods it would take to have a gunsmith convert it to Bapty specs) is what has been keeping me away lately. I don't "need" another gun, as I have others that will actually perform the required task, if the need to defend myself or my home should arise. That's why I decided to spend a fraction of the price for a decent airsoft in the meantime. My big reasons for wanting one are primarily display:  And for PS pics or costume purposes:  Having an Indy style airsoft or rubber replica is essentially like getting your hands on any other Indy prop, it's just something else to add to the overall collection, like a Ra headpiece or a grail diary. |
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Post by mwp on Nov 8, 2008 23:57:47 GMT -5
Great pic of the gun...and I am a pro photographer...
Did you do anything to the finish of the gun body/barrel besides adding some wear marks with, I presume, silver or gun metal paint?
It sure looks more "metal" than mine just out of the box.
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Post by GCR on Nov 9, 2008 2:27:16 GMT -5
Great pic of the gun...and I am a pro photographer... Did you do anything to the finish of the gun body/barrel besides adding some wear marks with, I presume, silver or gun metal paint? It sure looks more "metal" than mine just out of the box. The barrel, trigger, hammer, ejector rod / arm, and cylinder release were all weathered using some fine grit sandpaper. The ABS parts were aged using a metallic silver marker. I actually took the ink from the marker and put it on an old rag and then slightly diluted it with water. The I just rubbed the rag over the parts of the gun where holster wear would occur over time, being sure to wipe off any excess before it dried completely. (I've never been a very capable person with a paint brush in my hand, hence the reason I opted for this approach) |
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Post by mwp on Nov 9, 2008 19:28:15 GMT -5
Well you did real good.......
One of these days I'll find a 1917 for real that I can afford....until then it's plastic paradise!
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Post by mwp on Nov 17, 2008 12:42:31 GMT -5
Here is my BELL airsoft...first attempt at distressing. I may have over done it a bit. The lanyard ring is a real S&W that I got off eBay for $7.00 I had to mount it a bit off center because removing the internal gas assembly to center in nozzle hole was impossible. I think if Indy had his gun constantly thrown around or dropped in the desert sands..this is what it might have looked like... 1 Q? I followed the instructions and sprayed flat (matte) finish on the grips...However they still look "plastic". Since most real wooden grips I have seen are hand rubbed or lacquered, maybe i should re-do the grips with a gloss varnish, and then paint the "worn" areas with flat finish to give the appearance of wooden grips with part of the "finish" worn off.... Any ops?  |
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Post by GCR on Nov 17, 2008 16:54:53 GMT -5
I think it looks good! I really like the genuine lanyard loop, though I know what you mean about that damn gas tank being a real pain in the ass. That's why I opted to just do a homemade lanyard, as I wasn't sure if I could even get a real one to attach correctly. Anyways, nice work! |
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Post by mwp on Nov 18, 2008 3:29:09 GMT -5
Thanks..I may modify it a bit...if I rotate the cylinder, it is not quite as "worn" on the other chambers.
What do you think about re-varnishing the grips and then either leave the "worn" spots unvarnished, or re-apply some flat lacquer on the "wear" spots???
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