NEW WASHed Goat Raiders !!!

[dougc]

Hey guys check this out Wested just posted this new offering!! The Wash Goat in a Raiders jacket, hurray!!! But...

www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/shops/westedcom/new-in-special-offer-raiders-jacket-washed-goat-115-p.asp

The only thing is that it says it's made to Standard Specifications, so I guess it's not like the other "Special Offer" jackets but rather like the OTR jackets. BUMMER!! That'll mean Leather facings, a deal breaker for me. Why must Wested do everything so complicated, special offer but it's different than the other special offers?

Doug C

[Kaplan]

That's some beautiful looking leather. It's too bad that Wested's "standard" pattern is not up to a lot of fan "standards".

I really really want to order from Wested again, but IN MY OPINION it really doesn't make much sense unless you live in and around London. That way it doesn't cost too much when you have to send your jacket back.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for the day when Peter incorporates a screen accurate offering as standard, and there are no inconsistencies in the workmanship. That's the day I will be proud to order another Wested.

[GCR]

That is really a beautiful looking jacket. I just love that washed goat hide. From what I can see from this one pic the design details look pretty good (pocket size, placement, flap scallop, etc.) The pockets might be a tad on the long side, though.

Doug, I think you may have misinterpreted the way Wested is using the phrase "Standard Specifications" here. From everything I read it appears this jacket is also a "Special Offer" and is made just like all the other special offer jackets. It does not mention leather facings anywhere in the description, so I think you might be okay on that one.

Anyways, this jacket really is a looker...if I had some extra coin I'd be ordering one right now! ;D

[dougc]

GCR, I think you're mistaken... The Lambskin (and regular Goat) ROLA Special Offer has two piped inside pockets... this Washed Goat (and the the LC/CS) Special Offer says it has "a leather bound inside pocket".
And also if you read the Standard Specifications from the regular OTR jacket it reads: ""Standard specifications include two-way pockets, action pleats for arm movement, side vents, and a the leather bound inside pocket. Leather inside facings and heavy duty brass zip make this a very durable and 'Streetwise' jacket."" So Standard Specs do include leather facings behind the zips. Like I said Wested tends to complicate things.. The ROLA Special Offer in reg. Goat and Auth. Lambskin are close to the original movie jacket designs (narrower body, small silver zips, no facing, narrow action pleats, etc.) which is completely different than the Special Offer LC/CS & Washed Goat Raiders. They are all called "Special Offer" jackets though, this does not make perfectly good since.. people will be confused by this, probably already have been, heck I was too.

Doug C

[GCR]

Well, if you're confused that makes two of us.

I see nothing in the description for the Special Offer WG Raiders that mentions leather facings. Nor do I see anything that says "This jacket is made to Standard Specifications", or any other manner or phrase that is meant to imply that it is built using the "standard" design. I only see mention of the fact that it has a leather bound pocket, that's it.

Have you tried emailing Wested to ask them about it?

[crismans]

This is an interesting question. The standard "Raiders" OTR has this in the description:

Standard specifications include two-way pockets, action pleats for arm movement, side vents, and a the leather bound inside pocket. Leather inside facings and heavy duty brass zip make this a very durable and 'Streetwise' jacket.

The special offer ROLA has this description:

There are no inside leather facings, the body is slimmer and the sleeves more tapered. The zip is a smaller 5 gauge nickel and the action pleat depth is narrower with two piped inside pockets.

The new washed goat has this description:

Standard specifications include two-way pockets, action pleats for arm movement, side vents, cotton/satin lining and a leather bound inside pocket.

I'd definitely send an email to clarify (I'd go with sending one to Gemma as I've always gotten a reply from her).

[Kt. Templar]

Jul 29, 2008 2:00:59 GMT -5 Kaplan said:

That's some beautiful looking leather. It's too bad that Wested's "standard" pattern is not up to a lot of fan "standards".

I really really want to order from Wested again, but IN MY OPINION it really doesn't make much sense unless you live in and around London. That way it doesn't cost too much when you have to send your jacket back.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for the day when Peter incorporates a screen accurate offering as standard, and there are no inconsistencies in the workmanship. That's the day I will be proud to order another Wested.

Wested's biggest problem is their willingness to be flexible. It bites them in the bum every time.

If they stuck to one iteration, the standard. They would remove almost all of their headaches. Like we do with Wings or with G&B we'd just accept it and either buy one or move on.

I hate to advocate less choice but the fans can be their own worst enemies, as perception changes as often as fashions so do our 'SA' requirements.

One week it's bigger pocket 'cos my hands don't fit', next it shorter cos some screen caps say so. The current trend is for nearly square pockets but they 'should be' slightly taller than they are wide, not by much but definitely not as squat as some imagine. Many publicity shots and caps actually bear out the original much maligned pockets from about 10 years ago.

Case in point. The roltaa has 95% of the most commonly asked for mods and we are still not happy.

[dougc]

KT - you may have some points with that, but they don't apply to what we're talking about here, sorry. The point I'm making is clear.. that Wested has 4 Special Offers right now, 2 of them have different descriptions than the other two. Why? Is that intentional? It reads intentional to me..
The new WG Raiders Special, LC/CS Special, (as well as) the OTR Raider, all say = "Standard Specifications include...etc" while ONLY the other two say = "Unlike the Standard Raiders...etc"
I'd be pleasantly surprised if they were all the same, but at the very least it's not obvious. Has anyone bought the LC/CS Special Offer yet? If so, I wonder if it has shoulder pads and two inside pockets? BTW, I'd be the last to complain about Wested's flexibility, it's wonderfull.. but there's something to be said for a keen attention to detail also.

Doug C

[dougc]

Hey just to make a stronger point, look at Indyfalco's LC/CS Washed Goat thread a few posts down.. The Special Offer was all that was offered at the time, check out the inside, it's got leather facings and excessive leather surrounding the one inside pocket. And it's description is just like the new WG "special offer". Unfortunately (for me atleast) this new offering is not a "ROLA Special".

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Doug C

[Kt. Templar]

It's not complicated at all. All the stuff you are stressing about is on the inside of the jacket something you almost never see on screen. Shoulder pads are a 5 minute job to remove they are not a big deal.

These are all OTR.

3 streams:

Raiders Standard (standard cut with facings on zip, single inside pocket with large leather surround)> Available in Lamb, Goat and Washed Goat.

Raiders ROLA (slim cut, with 2 inside pockets piped, no leather facings on zip, maybe shoulder pads) Silver zipper etc,) available in lamb and goat.

LC/CS (facings on zipper like the CS jackets have, piped pocket) available in Washed goat

Anyway, here's the LC/CS in washed lamb. It's not too long. I'm too short!

[dougc]

KT wrote: "All the stuff you are stressing about is on the inside of the jacket something you almost never see on screen."

"stressing about"? I'm just discussing the particulars of the "Special" jackets with like minded folks and trying to get it right and hopefully help those that don't understand the offerings as well as yourself. I know the removal of shoulder pads is no biggy, you're reading stuff into what I've written I think. I've owned many Indy jackets too, enough to know that I personally will never own another one with leather facings behind the zips.

KT, you also say it's not complicated at all and write "These are all OTR...3 streams:" But I'd like to point out that folks, when talking about these jackets are referring to them as either "Off The Rack" and/or "Special Offers" and never really making a distinction between which ones they are talking about in particular. So if someone bought (for instance) a Special Offer 'ROLA' and posted pics and simply called it an "OTR", there are folks that wouldn't necessarily understand that it a smaller cut jacket, etc. and that could lead to problem because the jackets are sized differently as well as having other differences. I mean it's not obvious if we're all referring to them as OTR, JMHO.

Doug C

[Kt. Templar]

I know! LOL I know. Thing is, it it crystal clear to him too!

But can you see, the differentiator is "Raiders" or "Rola" as far as Peter is concerned. All the 'specials' are outsourced and cheaper. If you buy a Indy jacket from the "powershop" site I believe it is outsourced, although I think all the £145 standards on the "Indyjacket" site are also now outsourced. They may start making them in the UK again as the new film rush eases off.

Basically anything on the Indyjacket.com is now a custom and £165. (or more) but from the UK.

As for the facings, I once thought that too. The ones on my custom LC/CS are very narrow and don't bother me in the slightest. (They are about 1" at the zipper]. I hated the ones on a cowhide jacket I had but they were about 2.5" at the zipper).

They will make a beautiful custom LC for you without facings, just look at the jacket Holt had made. But it will cost.

Regards,

Kt.

[dougc]

I never wanted a custom LC though... I only wanted a Special Offer 'ROLA' in Washed Goat, but it does NOT look like Wested will be offering one. : ( . Nice try regarding the leather facings, but besides them not being SA [for the first three movies atleast] they negatively affect the drape and generally make the jacket feel bulkier, that's from my experience and is in my most humble opinion - can't stand them.

Sure I can NOW see that the difference is "Raiders" and "ROLA" regarding the sizeing, cut and details, but I'm a very detailed individual who's been in this hobby for a very long time. I doubt newcomers to Wested's page of outsourced jackets would qickly see that there is a difference in the jackets that are labled "Special Offer", I think it's natural to assume they are the same - but they are not. All the outsourced jackets are NOT created the same, even the ones called "Special Offer" and that can't be crystal clear without a bit of research.

Doug C

[GCR]

So the new Raiders washed goat DOES have leather facings? I stand corrected, then! I'll admit it does stink for those who don't like them (they never bothered me). Is there any reason why Wested isn't offering the WG hide in ROLA configuration?

[dougc]

..combined with the action pleats that are way too deep on the "standard special" IMHO. Of course some folks prefer these details and I can totally accept that..just don't understand it personally.

Doug C