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Post by Desert Dweller on May 16, 2008 21:36:07 GMT -5
If they want to spin Shia's character into another movie adventure, that's fine. However, I don't want Indiana Jones in it or referenced in any way. I'm going to see Indy IV to see Indiana Jones back in action. I don't care to watch the "Sallah adventures" or the "Short-Round Chronicles" or "Mutt's Quest".
As Yoda would say: "Up with this, I will not put!"
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Post by COWBOY on May 16, 2008 22:01:17 GMT -5
Thanks Ken and boys....great points. I am going with the attitude that it is going to be a great flick......Period! Everything I was going to say has been said so nothing more to add.
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Post by Ramiel on May 16, 2008 22:54:37 GMT -5
F :-Xk you, George Lucas! Stop raping my childhood memories with your delusional ideas of what you think the fans want! Attention Indy fans. I'm making it official right now. We are no longer gonna let Lucas do whatever the hell he wants to do because he made a movie THIRTY years ago that was pretty good. We've been letting him get away with it for ten years now because we've all been hoping that he'll do something amazing. I believe that it is quite clear that he won't simply because he is going senile with all that cash he's injected into his veins. Time to crack the whip. I'm totally with you Nick (even if Episode 3 was a fun movie...), and not only with Lucas, but with all the filmmakers who still think they can do a bad movie after another just because "they can"... Ok, the rant is over (almost), with all the talented writers and people with fresh ideas we still get remakes and bad movies taken from a famous franchise (call it videogames, cartoons, comics or whatever you want), adaptations are fine if done right, but original movies should be done too! And a spinoff could be OK too, just don't put "Indy" in it...
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Post by Ragingblues on May 17, 2008 11:03:06 GMT -5
Ken...I love the new Avatar, man! ;D Thanks! What a great cast of characters on that show, right? Ken
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Post by indysenigma on May 17, 2008 12:32:28 GMT -5
Greetings ~ I have waited to post and pondered what to place here, so here it goes.. Now an opinion ~ and this my OWN opinion.Personally, and I have said it a million times, and *maybe* I am in a minority. BUT WHO CARES!I think it "wise" to stop at Indy 4. ~ (for now) To push a franchise to its limits is one thing, but to place a beloved character, and step him down to be regulated as a "side-kick" ~ sacrilegious! To be very honest.. I have not seen any "LaBeouf" films... *I* actually have no interest either... IMO - complaining about a pulled groin is one thing, yet, is also an indicator that he may not be up to being an action star. Reason being, he , so far, has been acting against CGI/Special effects, and this *injury* was made because he was acting in a *old school* way of filming.... Ponder that for awhile ~ ~ I *mean* REALLY think about it. Whilst Harrison Ford is keeping his 66 year old self *active*, *Fit*, and taking all the blows and damages, why does a viral young man suffer so much? Tells you he is not used to such acting... and yes... I will give him the benefit of the doubt... but not much. ~ *IF* he (LaBeouf) is to be taking the torch from Indy, he needs to start making and getting *used* to action films being made the "old school" way ~ plain and simple ~ ~ or the Fans (as myself) will NOT accept him as a action Star... to me he will be a fizzle on some 7up... or even the fizzle in Mineral Wasser! Yes, this is harsh and OMG going against the grain, but, as I said this is my opinion, and *sit* firmly on it ~ Also ~I think the makers of Indy 4, did it the right way... * waiting* I am not against a Indy 5, (if properly done), by all means, however, Indiana will be getting older, and so (not as) "active" as before. And this possibility may/will occur someday, ~ that Indy will *die*? ~ The idea was and will be (possibly) used in the new Dirty Harry movie, considering that Clint Eastwood will make it so. I agree with this ~ because the DH character belongs to Clint Eastwood and Fans can ONLY see Clint as DH. *If * Indy is ONLY Harrison Ford and Harrison Ford ONLY Indy... then I think its *right* that if the Indy character does meet his end, it should be by the actor associated with that character. ~ Here are some suggestions ~If Indy is to make it to a very old age... I can see ONLY 2 ways of him seeing his final end. By natural causes... a final adventure...or a final retirement ~ (ok maybe 3)... For me its Natural causes... "Why"? Its a simplistic, honourable, end to a beloved hero, not going out with a bang, but with a reserved silence, a peaceful respected sleep. Maybe a MI ~ while he is looking over some items on his desk ~ (remembering) ~ the days past. Maybe while sleeping ~ he just "breathes" his last breath from old age. Ok, I digress on the death of Indy, but, I will keep that as possibility. Reason ? ~ Its a shocker, and a FINAL end! There is also this possibility ~ Let him marry Marion, let Mutt be their Love-child ~ (and *if* that was the case) ~ then Marion and Indy *have* met (again) along the way during those 19 years we know not of.. Then ~ let them go off into the sunset and end it quietly. ~ Happily together as family... and RETIRED! After all, Indiana deserves it, deserves some respect, and deserves his "Retirement" to be done the RIGHT way! ~ Thanks for reading ~ Respects! IE
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Post by dennirtime on May 17, 2008 18:37:48 GMT -5
That part Lucas said about the "discovery of novelty" really stood out to me. I mean it really has been a while since film makers have consistantly created original stuff. Seems as far as good movies go nobody wants to think up great new ideas anymore. Don't get me wrong...I'll still be at the movie theater during the midnight showing of KOCS probally wearing my Akubra. But I do miss that "novelty feeling". We need more of it darn it.
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Post by Ragingblues on May 17, 2008 18:40:26 GMT -5
In all fairness, Ford injured himself pretty seriously during the filming of Raiders and Temple Of Doom (knee and back). This was the first time Shia has been injured during his career, which actually goes back to 1984.
Regardless of what you think about Indy having a son or having him play a pretty big role in KOTCS (and possibly bigger roles of they make more), his character is no more or less than what Lucas and Spielberg want it to be. He did sign an option right from the start to make 3 more Indy movies if they choose to make them. So the creators of Indiana Jones obviously think very highly of the guy (even if some fans are still leary of the idea).
I will say that if you haven't seen Shia in "The Greatest Game Ever Played" or "Transformers", you owe it to yourself. He's really got talent and great screen presence beyond his years.
Ken
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 17, 2008 18:51:19 GMT -5
He does indeed seem to be talented. Regardless of that, without Ford in the lead role, I think that this needs to end. Imo, this is a torch that is better left snuffed out than passed on.
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Post by GCR on May 17, 2008 19:02:39 GMT -5
I have to say, early on, I was very much against the idea of Indy having a son in the new film, and I was also strongly against Shia playing that role. The more time went by, the more I got used to it and now it doesn't bother me so much anymore. In fact, I have a new found respect for Shia's skills as an actor after seeing "Disturbia". Prior to that, I had not seen Shia in anything other than a brief appearance in an episode of "Freaks and Geeks". I thought he did great in the leading role in Disturbia, so that gave me much more confidence that he'd do a good job in Indy 4 as well. Now, I'm still not ready to give a definite answer as to whether I'd like to see an Indy 5 (or 6 or 7) with Shia in the lead role, but I will say, I'd much rather see a natural progression or "passing of the torch" from one generation to the next, rather than a situation where they recast Indy and go back to making new movies in the same era as the original trilogy. THAT, to me, would be the worst case scenario. I'd much rather see Indy as a sidekick, still played by Ford, than some completely new actor trying to reinvent the role (or worse yet, trying to do a Harrison Ford impersonation throughout the entire film). But for now, until I have a chance to see and process Indy 4, my first choice would have to be, "end it". No Indy 5, 6 or 7...just end it here and call it a day. -GCR
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Post by COWBOY on May 17, 2008 21:55:24 GMT -5
Ken...I love the new Avatar, man! ;D Thanks! What a great cast of characters on that show, right? Ken Yes.....they are so believable too.
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Post by Ragingblues on May 17, 2008 22:57:24 GMT -5
Now Harrison and Shia comment on the proposed idea: 'Indiana Jones' Sequels Starring Shia LaBeouf? 'I Have No Cheeky Answer,' Harrison Ford Says
Harrison Ford could be reduced to a sidekick in 'Indy 5.'
www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1587641/story.jhtml
He's a professor of archeology, an expert on the occult and a whip-wielding, gun-toting, fist-pounding hero who's never far from the next adventure. Indiana Jones has been called a lot of names since he first exploded onto the big screen in 1981. Now it looks like he might be called the strangest one of all: sidekick.
While at the Cannes Film Festival, where "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" is one of many movies premiering out of competition, George Lucas hinted that he's left the door open for more "Indy" stories, but with Shia LaBeouf, not Harrison Ford, at the center of the action.
"I haven't even told Steven [Spielberg] or Harrison this," he told Fox News. "But I have an idea to make Shia the lead character next time and have Harrison come back like Sean Connery did in the last movie. I can see it working out."
Connery played Dr. Henry Jones, Indiana's obsessive and somewhat comical father, in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade."
Although it has been talked about for months, Lucas' statement is another hint that LaBeouf's character, Mutt, might be Indiana's son — that is, if I remember my SAT analogies correctly (Sean Connery : Indiana :: Indiana : Mutt).
But is a fifth Indiana Jones film anything more than wishful thinking on the part of Lucas? Would Harrison Ford entertain the thought of returning to the iconic character in a much more limited capacity?
"I have no cheeky answer for [that]. I just work here. I'm glad to work here," Ford told MTV News at the Cannes Film Festival on Friday (May 16). "Till they tell me otherwise, I will continue to be Indiana Jones."
"I know Harrison would love to," LaBeoufcountered, smiling. "I know that Harrison, when he's 80, will still be jacked. Is there going to be an 80-year-old Indiana Jones? No one can say never."
There's actually already been a 93-year-old Indiana Jones, portrayed by George Hall in The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, which ran on TV from 1992 to 1993. But while those episodes didn't have Harrison Ford (save for one) they still heavily centered on the character he helped create — he wasn't regulated to second-fiddle status.
For fans, then, the issue leading up to the release of Crystal Skull is whether or not Indy without Indy is still Indy — the reasonable assumption being that a Mutt film is only as strong as Mutt himself.
Is Mutt a good enough character to take center stage? LaBeouf said it's up to the fans, who will ultimately choose the fate of Indiana Jones with their reception of Crystal Skull. Choose ... wisely.
"Mutt's pretty wild [but] it's all about what the public feels," LaBeouf said. "I know if it's received well, that's a pretty definite indicator. If it's received well, I don't imagine they would stop making them."
"I don't think a Mutt spin-off would be as big as Indiana Jones," he added, coyly. "[But] fingers crossed!"
Last year, the Net was flooded with stories claiming that Lucasfilm had signed contracts with both Ford and LaBeouf for additional movies. At the time, a spokesman for the company explicitly denied to MTV News the veracity of these rumors, stating they were just "idle chatter among Internet fans." Ken
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Post by pitfallharry on May 17, 2008 23:26:08 GMT -5
I'm really not interested in seeing them take the series into the 60's IF they continue it with Shia's character. The series works the best along with the character back in the 30's and 40's.
I think they're pushing their luck with this new one being set in 1957.
I personally think George is just rambling at the moment anyway. It took them 19 years to get this one made. IF they plan on making another one then at the very least it's a few years away. Ford, Shia and Spielberg are all attached to several other projects.
I'm going into the theater thinking this is the last one with Ford in the role.
I think it's funny though that George can just make a simple comment and ot drives the fans crazy. Sometimes, I think he does it on purpose. ;D
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Post by Ragingblues on May 17, 2008 23:40:33 GMT -5
I'm really not interested in seeing them take the series into the 60's IF they continue it with Shia's character. The series works the best along with the character back in the 30's and 40's. I think they're pushing their luck with this new one being set in 1957. I personally think George is just rambling at the moment anyway. It took them 19 years to get this one made. IF they plan on making another one then at the very least it's a few years away. Ford, Shia and Spielberg are all attached to several other projects. I'm going into the theater thinking this is the last one with Ford in the role. I think it's funny though that George can just make a simple comment and ot drives the fans crazy. Sometimes, I think he does it on purpose. ;D It's not just a simple comment though. He's had them both signed on since the beginning for the possibility of three more movies. I believe it is strictly tied to how well this one does. Ken
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Post by pitfallharry on May 17, 2008 23:58:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember the original rumors about all of that and I'm sure they are signed. That doesn't mean it's going to happen. Look at how long they talked about making this one.... I think it's waay to early to be discussing a 5th film regardless of what George tells the press at that given time. I just want to go and enjoy this new film without worrying about how they might try to continue this movie series.
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Post by Ragingblues on May 18, 2008 1:34:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember the original rumors about all of that and I'm sure they are signed. That doesn't mean it's going to happen. Look at how long they talked about making this one.... I think it's waay to early to be discussing a 5th film regardless of what George tells the press at that given time. I just want to go and enjoy this new film without worrying about how they might try to continue this movie series. I agree, it is way too early for them to be discussing another movie. However, Lucas spilled the beans to the press and it's everywhere now. I'm not sure it was the best time to throw the idea out, but: A. They have created the character, and... B. They never ask my opinion on anything. Ken
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2008 8:29:15 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of one of my favorite action heroes reduced to sidekick status. If they make any more Indy movies either keep Indy as the hero or start a New series.
Mutt Williams and the Transformers From Another Galaxy.
Cheers, John
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Post by pitfallharry on May 18, 2008 9:26:09 GMT -5
Uh...oh......It looks like this new film *may* have a tie to another movie adventure series. I just found out Mutt's real first name is "Remo"..... There's only like two people in here that will probably get this joke. ;D
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Post by GCR on May 18, 2008 9:47:40 GMT -5
Uh...oh......It looks like this new film *may* have a tie to another movie adventure series. I just found out Mutt's real first name is "Remo"..... There's only like two people in here that will probably get this joke. ;D Remo Williams? ;D ;D ;D Okay...who's the other person who got it? ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2008 9:51:31 GMT -5
I guess that would be me. Unfortunately. ;D Cheers, John On another note: Having Shia as the star of Indy 5 and still using the Indiana Jones title would be like having the Apple computer guy (Justin Long) take over Bruce Willis's part in Die Hard 5 and still calling it a Die Hard movie. Well isn't that Special ;D Cheers, John
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Post by Ragingblues on May 18, 2008 12:31:48 GMT -5
Any tie-in to Apple would remove me from the viewing audience forever. Oh wait, you meant the Die Hard series, not Indiana Jones. Still, count me out either way. Ken
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Post by Ragingblues on May 18, 2008 18:05:43 GMT -5
Uh...oh......It looks like this new film *may* have a tie to another movie adventure series. I just found out Mutt's real first name is "Remo"..... There's only like two people in here that will probably get this joke. ;D Remo Williams? ;D ;D ;D Okay...who's the other person who got it? ;D I got it as well and yikes! Here's hoping Remo Williams doesn't turn out to be Mutt's real father! Ken
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 18, 2008 18:43:42 GMT -5
Remo Williams? ;D ;D ;D Okay...who's the other person who got it? ;D I got it as well and yikes! Here's hoping Remo Williams doesn't turn out to be Mutt's real father! Ken That would probably be me, as its no secret that I use Remo Williams movie quotes under my profile icon. I love the Remo Williams movie...and the TV pilot from the 80's. I like the books, but not as much. Anyway, Pitfall, I don't know if it was me you had in mind or not, but if it was....thanks for noticing, man!!
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Post by Ragingblues on May 18, 2008 18:47:49 GMT -5
I got it as well and yikes! Here's hoping Remo Williams doesn't turn out to be Mutt's real father! Ken That would probably be me, as its no secret that I use Remo Williams movie quotes under my profile icon. I love the Remo Williams movie...and the TV pilot from the 80's. I like the books, but not as much. Anyway, Pitfall, I don't know if it was me you had in mind or not, but if it was....thanks for noticing, man!! I just didn't think the Indy series needed any father confusion tossed into the mix. As in.... " Marion, who is that guy with you in the old photo"? "Oh him? Dat's my baby daddy". Ken
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Post by pitfallharry on May 18, 2008 22:09:06 GMT -5
I wasn't sure how many people here were familar with that "Remo Williams" I knew Ken, John and Griff were and I had them in mind when I posted that. It seems that movie has a little bit of a cult following.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 18, 2008 22:53:44 GMT -5
I wasn't sure how many people here were familar with that "Remo Williams" I knew Ken, John and Griff were and I had them in mind when I posted that. It seems that movie has a little bit of a cult following.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Now "The Adventures of Indiana Jones and Chiun:Master of Sinanju" is a team-up I would pay to go see.
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