Indy's other firearms.

[Desert Dweller]

I could have sworn that Doctor Jones had used a pistol instead of a revolver, such as a Browning, at certain times and I seem to recall him holstering it at certain points. Did he holster it in his Webley holster or did he have a pistol holster for that particular make of firearm??

[Ramiel]

I saw the browning in the Raven bar scene fight, but he changes his gun between shots, so the official version should be a mistake from the prop and continuity department, but actually some people thinks that he "stole" that gun from one of the dead henchmen of Thot...

[GCR]

RAIDERS - Indy carries two versions of the S&W HE2 / M1917:

Stembridge version (aka the "suitcase gun"): Non-shooting version that is handed over to Belloq in the jungle scenes, and later gets tossed into Indy's suitcase, while packing for his trip aboard the clipper.

Bapty version (aka "the shooter"): This is the gun Indy uses during the Cairo scenes, to shoot the henchmen aboard the truck filled with explosives, and later during his fight at the flying wing, to shoot the lock off the cockpit canopy and rescue Marion.

I am not sure which version Indy uses during the Raven Bar (I'd guess the Bapty, but I could be wrong), but as Ramiel pointed out, he also used a Browning Hi-Power during those scenes as well as his S&W. From what I recall, the original intention was for Indy to carry two weapons, his standard S&W and a semi-auto as a back-up. The original semi-auto was supposedly a 1911 style .45, but for some reason, it was replaced by the Browning instead. Legend has it that the Browning was substituted because it functioned better with the blanks but still looked enough like a 1911 that most folks wouldn't notice the difference. And indeed, up until the point when the films were re-released on VHS with an improved picture, a debate raged between different fan factions as to whether it was really a 1911 or a Browning. (It was hard to tell back in the "old days" ;D ) Either way, the Browning was meant to be Indy's gun (he's got it again later while aboard the Bantu Wind), not a gun he picked up from one of Toht's men. After all, the agents of Nazi Germany didn't get their hands on Hi-Powers until they had occupied Belgium and began to have FN produce arms for them. BUT, if one wants to take things that far, you could easily point out that the German's did not have Walther P-38's or MP-38 submachine guns in 1936, either. ;D

Anyways...in TOD, he went without a firearm through most of the film, although he was supposedly using the same S&W (Bapty?) as in Raiders during the brief chase sequence and shootout with Lao Che's men. The rubber gun dropped out the window was a different model, believed to be a Colt New Service with a longer barrerl than the S&W (probably 5 inch).

In Last Crusade we see the now famous Webley, which appears to be reprising its role in KOTCS as well.

As far as holsters go, Indy had a custom holster for his S&W, replicas of which used to be hard to find, though now there are several good ones. The Webley holster appeared in TOD, even though the Webley itself didn't turn up until LC.

The Browing, as a back up gun, didn't have a dedicated holster. Indy likely carried it in his MK-VII bag, although the bag is curiously missing from his person on the two occasions he has the Browning (Raven Bar and Bantu Wind) ;D My guess is he had it tucked into his waistband or belt during the Raven bar scenes, having removed it from his MK-VII ahead of time, sensing that trouble might be brewing at the ol' Ravenwood place. ;D

-GCR

[Ramiel]

Priceless explanation GCR!
The only think I could say in my defense (about the possible "borrowing" of the Browning from a dead henchman), is that those guys were working for Toth, but they aren't really "nazi agents"... So they could carry every kind of weapon with them! ;D
Just kidding...

[Desert Dweller]

Apr 25, 2008 21:35:11 GMT -5 Ramiel said:

Priceless explanation GCR!
The only think I could say in my defense (about the possible "borrowing" of the Browning from a dead henchman), is that those guys were working for Toth, but they aren't really "nazi agents"... So they could carry every kind of weapon with them! ;D
Just kidding...

Priceless explanation is right!! Damn. Thanks very much for that. Both of you.

[GCR]

Apr 25, 2008 21:35:11 GMT -5 Ramiel said:

Priceless explanation GCR!
The only think I could say in my defense (about the possible "borrowing" of the Browning from a dead henchman), is that those guys were working for Toth, but they aren't really "nazi agents"... So they could carry every kind of weapon with them! ;D
Just kidding...

No, I know what you mean, man! ;D

The whole tricky thing about the Browning is that it wasn't available for public purchase in 1936 (unlike the 1911, which had been available for years). From what I understand, it was produced only for the Belgian military during 1935 (when it went into production) and up through the time of Raiders in 36, probably right up until the occupation in 1940. However, considering that, it probably does make more sense that Government agents from a neighboring European nation could get their hands on one, rather than a private citizen from the United States. Of course, if we take into account the "canonicity" of the Young Indy TV show, then it's possible Indy might have some contacts from his days serving in the Belgian Army during WWI, who might have been able to hook him up with a Hi-Power.

Yeah, I know...overthink much? ;D ;D ;D

-GCR

[Desert Dweller]

That's a plausible explanation..and very smart. I like it, let's go with it!

[Ramiel]

Apr 25, 2008 22:18:57 GMT -5 GCR said:

Yeah, I know...overthink much? ;D ;D ;D

-GCR

Nah, that is fine!
;D ;D ;D

[Rock Ford]

Apr 25, 2008 21:19:27 GMT -5 GCR said:

RAIDERS - Indy carries two versions of the S&W HE2 / M1917:

Stembridge version (aka the "suitcase gun"): Non-shooting version that is handed over to Belloq in the jungle scenes, and later gets tossed into Indy's suitcase, while packing for his trip aboard the clipper.

Bapty version (aka "the shooter"): This is the gun Indy uses during the Cairo scenes, to shoot the henchmen aboard the truck filled with explosives, and later during his fight at the flying wing, to shoot the lock off the cockpit canopy and rescue Marion.

I am not sure which version Indy uses during the Raven Bar (I'd guess the Bapty, but I could be wrong), but as Ramiel pointed out, he also used a Browning Hi-Power during those scenes as well as his S&W. From what I recall, the original intention was for Indy to carry two weapons, his standard S&W and a semi-auto as a back-up. The original semi-auto was supposedly a 1911 style .45, but for some reason, it was replaced by the Browning instead. Legend has it that the Browning was substituted because it functioned better with the blanks but still looked enough like a 1911 that most folks wouldn't notice the difference. And indeed, up until the point when the films were re-released on VHS with an improved picture, a debate raged between different fan factions as to whether it was really a 1911 or a Browning. (It was hard to tell back in the "old days" ;D ) Either way, the Browning was meant to be Indy's gun (he's got it again later while aboard the Bantu Wind), not a gun he picked up from one of Toht's men. After all, the agents of Nazi Germany didn't get their hands on Hi-Powers until they had occupied Belgium and began to have FN produce arms for them. BUT, if one wants to take things that far, you could easily point out that the German's did not have Walther P-38's or MP-38 submachine guns in 1936, either. ;D

Anyways...in TOD, he went without a firearm through most of the film, although he was supposedly using the same S&W (Bapty?) as in Raiders during the brief chase sequence and shootout with Lao Che's men. The rubber gun dropped out the window was a different model, believed to be a Colt New Service with a longer barrerl than the S&W (probably 5 inch).

In Last Crusade we see the now famous Webley, which appears to be reprising its role in KOTCS as well.

As far as holsters go, Indy had a custom holster for his S&W, replicas of which used to be hard to find, though now there are several good ones. The Webley holster appeared in TOD, even though the Webley itself didn't turn up until LC.

The Browing, as a back up gun, didn't have a dedicated holster. Indy likely carried it in his MK-VII bag, although the bag is curiously missing from his person on the two occasions he has the Browning (Raven Bar and Bantu Wind) ;D My guess is he had it tucked into his waistband or belt during the Raven bar scenes, having removed it from his MK-VII ahead of time, sensing that trouble might be brewing at the ol' Ravenwood place. ;D

-GCR

Holy crap you are a Brainiac GCR

[GCR]

Thanks man...but honestly a lot of that info is just stuff I learned from reading up on other people's research over the years. Granted I AM a huge gun-nut, and as soon as I learned for sure what kind of guns Indy used in his adventures, I read everything about them that I could get my hands on. Thus, I now have a fair amount of Indy gun related info drifting around inside my brain, but make no mistake, I'm not an expert. The info is out there if you know where to look. Hell, there's a decent amount of info at this page right here:

www.kennydrew.com/Indylounge/indyguns.htm



-GCR

[jmkh]

If you go to the website called Todd's Costumes and click indiana jones then click Indiana's guns some guns show up including the Browning at the Raven Bar

[chinajim]

Indy had the semi auto in his bag probably or in the small of his back as good as a hand ejector is reloading a wheel gun when the bad guys have got semi autos is a bear so probably what he did was re holstered the .45 and pulled the semi auto and blasted away count the shots from the semi in the bar fight he emptied the clip into the mp40 wielder a 45 carries 8 while the browning hp carries 12 or 16 rounds well thats my input
China Jim

[jsl5150]

Here is my take on the FN Browning p-35 Hi Power.

Some of the earliest batches left Belgium in late 1935. A good chunk of this early production went to Argentinain Army. Would it be a stretch to place Indy in South America before ROLA took place. Maybe the Hi-power was a backup bag gun?

Attached is either a very late 1935 or 1936 Hi-power I picked up about 15 years ago for $250. Ah, the good 'ol days of Mil Surps.

[GCR]

That's a beauty, JSL! Definitely in better shape than Indy's Browning! ;D

[jsl5150]

Indy's browning don't look too shabby in those scenes! That Browning I posted was part of that early Argentina contract with a serial number of 60XX. Maybe it was Indy's?

I watched ROLA tonight and could swear the pistol Indy put into his waistband was a 1911 in the Bantu Wind scene. Anybody have a capture of this? I'll have to take a closer look at this.

Now if only my brother would part with his P-17 Smith and let me cut down the barrel

[alkalijones]

Hey All,

To add to the problem of where Indy got his "Browning", I think it should be said that his "Browning" was an Inglis! It's hard to spot, but the rear sight has the classic Inglis hump, not a tangent sight or anything, just a fixed rear sight in a big hump of metal. The Raven Bar:



The Bantu Wind:


Inglis made Hi powers during the last two years of the war (1944-1945), so it's like his Mk VII, not made yet!

Dan S