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Post by pitfallharry on Aug 31, 2006 11:15:48 GMT -5
That gravestone above the last post just looks like a pattern in the texture of the marble that looks like eyes.
That last one you posted yourself into is rather odd. Whatever the object is in the pic it definitely looks like it has some mass to it.
Like I said before I'm rather dubious of any "ghost photo" I see because of all of the PS work that people can now do. Look at Blues Venice pic. If he wouldn't have told us that it was a PS pic it would have been really hard to tell just by looking at it.
When it comes to ghosts and to some extent UFO's I'd rather see videos.
I'm still bewildered by that cop car chase I posted. For the heck of it I just watched it again and I can't even see how it would have cleared the fence if it happened to get airborne. The fence flipping up doesn't even make sense because there is no physical evidence of the fence even being touched from watching the video.
I know the whole idea of it being a "ghost car" is beyond silly but what else would you call it if all other logical explanations have been eliminated?
From what little new info I've been able to gather the police never found the car. So I'm assuming they either didn't get the plate number or the plate number turned out to be a dead end.
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Aug 31, 2006 11:33:56 GMT -5
Railok... EVP's are creepy to listen to..ever tried recording jsut one night in your own house.... creeepy...trust me
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Post by pitfallharry on Aug 31, 2006 11:55:25 GMT -5
How exactly do you do that by the way?
I've heard about it but I wasn't sure if there was any kind of special recorder or setting you had to use.
I've seen shows where people have done them in graveyards before as well. Very creepy.
By the way.....If I can find this video I'll post the link in here. I don't know if it's real or a big hoax but it definitely creeped me out.
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Post by pitfallharry on Aug 31, 2006 12:00:57 GMT -5
Found the video. I think this is some Spanish "ghost hunting" program. The video is hard to see in the daylight. It's best viewed at night. I have no idea what the guy is saying but he definitely sounds truly terrified when he sees this "ghost". Either it's all an act, someone played a prank on him OR everything is real. It's one of the more realistic ones as far as I'm concerned. By the way the "ghost" is supposed to be of a little girl that the local legend says visits the graveyard every so often. Here's the video. www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/ghostgirl.html
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Aug 31, 2006 15:28:26 GMT -5
Nice find Pitfal :Dl... yea... it looks fake... but still nice!!..it is one of those videos that just as for EVP's yea.. a digital recorder is the best.. but EVP's are captured on every type of device....i`ve even heard stories about EVP's showing up on vinyl records but yea... try it sometime... you`ll be amazed at the sounds you hear.... you may even catch an EVP ;D
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Post by bendingoak on Aug 31, 2006 16:31:25 GMT -5
whats is " plays well with fire" ??
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Post by indianatone on Aug 31, 2006 17:42:09 GMT -5
Sorry, Bending Oak, I know you've got that question pending about "What is 'Plays with Fire'?" on CJ's signature. In terms of Ghost-stuff, I'm interested in it, but I have to look at every possible way not to believe it first. Often times, much of the stuff can be ruled out as a hoax. What makes it more difficult is that with programs like Photoshop available today, it becomes more and more difficult to sift through what is actually on a picture and what has been messed with. For the other pictures, pre-Photoshop days, there are still camera and light tricks (Shutter left open too long, etc.) that can mess with a picture. There are some things that happen that are inexplicable, but again, I think our brain fills in for most of the stuff. If you're looking for ghosts, you are going to concentrate on seeing a ghost (probably to the point where the brain goes out of its way to see a ghost.) This doesn't mean I can't freak myself out if I'm by myself in a cemetary. I also think enough energy from an event can be picked up by people years after. The way you get a cold feeling for no reason and don't like the spot you're in - only to find out that someone died a horrible death there. That kind of thing. It's a section of the human condition that hasn't been fully understood but when you think about the fact that elephants can communicate to each other for miles in a frequency the human ear can't pickup, it kind of makes sense. We just haven't tapped into it scientifically. That's only a part of it. Yes, I do think somehow they intertwine and that there may be spirits and ghosts....but there's a whole other lot of circumstances that don't make it very cut and dry and often times are mistaken for ghosts when it's a whole different phenomena at work. (Interesting site, CJ. I'm checking it out. A lot of these do look like they've been Photoshopped, however.) I'm still looking, though. Here's one from a place they call Voodoo Island. (not from Ghoststudy.com, btw.)
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Aug 31, 2006 18:02:26 GMT -5
Oak.. " plays well with fire" is a joke... becasue I always carry a zippo.. but don`t smoke.. Tone.. Never heard of Voodoo Island... but it does look intriguing after that pic... also.. if your enjoying ghost study try watching the www.willardghost.com/index.php?content=ghostcams they are fun at night...
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Post by bendingoak on Aug 31, 2006 19:16:45 GMT -5
I don't see the joke. Sorry Firefighter.
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Aug 31, 2006 19:21:54 GMT -5
Damn!!.. sorry oak.. Does it offend you?.... I mean.. the whole joke inside of it is that.. i usually just flick it open and closed alot.... i`ve been doing that forever.. since i was like 10.... but more recently the X-men character pyro does the same with a shark lighter... thus.. they started calling me pyro.... and again thats where the " plays well with fire" comes in
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Post by conceitedape on Aug 31, 2006 20:34:53 GMT -5
Don't fret CJ, i'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down. As for ghosts I'm still not sure what I believe in. I do love hearing ghost stories and about places that are believed to be haunted. I also love visiting these places to experience them for myself and see if they truly feel ominous. I think the sheer weight of rumour can make any place more interesting.
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Aug 31, 2006 20:41:02 GMT -5
yea... y'know.. a about 2 years ago ( before Indy and Indygear) I went to a graveyard in Granby CT i think it was... but it was supposed to be all evil and such.. you know the tune.... town put a lock on the gates until a small group of residents offered tours ( OF COURSE!!) so... my family and our friends went..... My best Friend, and now stunt double... hugged a crucifix all the way through this graveyard... and to me.. yea.. it was creepy... But Would I call It " evil" or " Demonic" no... it was just a graveyard.... with some cool tombstones I might add!
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Post by pitfallharry on Aug 31, 2006 22:00:36 GMT -5
Wow, this thread has taken off like crazy. First, I've got to ask Tone about this pic. Did you Photoshop this yourself or did you just find this out on the web? It's a cool shot but it's definitely someones PS work. As far as the "Girl in the Graveyard" goes even if that is faked I don't think they let the guy on camera in on the hoax. Even speaking Spanish I can pick-up the real sense of terror in his voice. I'm willing to bet that guy had to change his pants when he got home. ;D I think the problem with some of this is that when you tell someone a certain place is haunted it puts the idea they may see a ghost into the back of their mind. So when the person does visit the place they have a better chance of witnessing something than a person would that didn't know anything about the place before hand. We've got a small cemetery down the road from us. Some of the tombstones have dates reaching as far back as the Civil War. The place was never really taken care of and a whole trailer park court has sprung up around it. Kind of reminds me of the plot to Poltergeist. They moved the headstones but not the bodies! ;D Anyway, my friend and I years ago went walking through there one night and it was so dark we couldn't even see our hands in front of our faces. We brought flashlights and had them on but once we got to about the middle of the cemetery the damn things died on us. We never saw or heard anything but the whole idea of being in there with no light freaked us out. So we started running for the exit. Just before we got there my friend fell. I went back to help him get back up. Once we made it out he swore afterward that he felt a hand reach up and grab his ankle and that's why he fell. ;D Years later they ended up restoring the cemetery and it's not as creepy as it was but it's still there. Cj, all I have to do to try and record an EVP is take a regular old tape recorder to a cemetery and record the regular ambient sounds. When I play it back it could have sounds or voices that weren't there when I recorded it, correct?
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Post by bendingoak on Sept 1, 2006 0:15:11 GMT -5
I wasn't offended , just concerned about how that is perceived.
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Sept 1, 2006 5:31:10 GMT -5
Cj, all I have to do to try and record an EVP is take a regular old tape recorder to a cemetery and record the regular ambient sounds. When I play it back it could have sounds or voices that weren't there when I recorded it, correct? thats it in a nutshell. ... but like I said... EVP work can be done anywhere.... try your office sometime too ;D ;D Oak, Thanks for your concern.. I do see a number of ways that can be perceived.. EDIT: Here is a link to GhostStudys Miniscule collection of EVP's.. Three can be explained away... but give you the Idea of what they'll sound like..http://www.ghoststudy.com/evp.html
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Post by Railok on Sept 1, 2006 9:26:41 GMT -5
Found the video. I think this is some Spanish "ghost hunting" program. The video is hard to see in the daylight. It's best viewed at night. I have no idea what the guy is saying but he definitely sounds truly terrified when he sees this "ghost". Either it's all an act, someone played a prank on him OR everything is real. It's one of the more realistic ones as far as I'm concerned. By the way the "ghost" is supposed to be of a little girl that the local legend says visits the graveyard every so often. Here's the video. www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/ghostgirl.htmlAlright, after I have listen to this.. What I can hear for first.. "I can hear a little girl cry in the middle of the night, or.. it's 1:30. Girl? Girl!? What's your name, girl? Hey, How is it? Oh my.. COME! COME! You with glasses! PLEASE!"
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Post by bendingoak on Sept 1, 2006 10:55:43 GMT -5
I think the problem with some of this is that when you tell someone a certain place is haunted it puts the idea they may see a ghost into the back of their mind. So when the person does visit the place they have a better chance of witnessing something than a person would that didn't know anything about the place before hand.
your right on that one harry. The mind is a tricky thing. it can make you see things that arent there. If you put the thought in someones mind you can allmost make them see anything. Your example is a good one. Is it more likely to belive that because you told someone that the place is haunted that they have a better chance of seeing a ghost or that you told them the place was haunted that they have a better chance of there own mind playing tricks with that persoon and seeing something that wasn't there.
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Post by pitfallharry on Sept 1, 2006 11:23:46 GMT -5
Found the video. I think this is some Spanish "ghost hunting" program. The video is hard to see in the daylight. It's best viewed at night. I have no idea what the guy is saying but he definitely sounds truly terrified when he sees this "ghost". Either it's all an act, someone played a prank on him OR everything is real. It's one of the more realistic ones as far as I'm concerned. By the way the "ghost" is supposed to be of a little girl that the local legend says visits the graveyard every so often. Here's the video. www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/ghostgirl.htmlAlright, after I have listen to this.. What I can hear for first.. "I can hear a little girl cry in the middle of the night, or.. it's 1:30. Girl? Girl!? What's your name, girl? Hey, How is it? Oh my.. COME! COME! You with glasses! PLEASE!" Railok, I didn't know you knew Spanish. Thank you for translating what the guy was saying. Now that I know he said something about the "girl" having glasses the whole "glowing eyes" makes more sense. It was the light reflecting off the lenses of the glasses. I still think someone set this guy up just to scare the $h_t out of him. Your right on that one Harry. The mind is a tricky thing. it can make you see things that aren't there. If you put the thought in someones mind you can almost make them see anything. Your example is a good one. Is it more likely to believe that because you told someone that the place is haunted that they have a better chance of seeing a ghost or that you told them the place was haunted that they have a better chance of there own mind playing tricks with that person and seeing something that wasn't there. This is my main problem with about 99.9% percent of all of the "Ghost Shows" that pop up on TV, especially around Halloween. Most of the shows take people to places that are haunted and fill them in on every little detail and story about the place. So by the time their done these people are jumping at their own shadows! I wish someone would setup some kind of experiment where the people running it would pick random locations and some would have a history of ghost sightings while other locations wouldn't. You'd then select two normal everyday folks for the experiment and pick a location for each individual to go to. The one person would be sent to the site that didn't have a history of hauntings BUT would be told that it did. While the other person would be told nothing of the site they were being sent to that DID have a history of hauntings. How much you want to bet the person who went to the site that had no history of ghost sightings would come back claiming to have seen something?
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Post by Railok on Sept 1, 2006 11:29:10 GMT -5
Railok, I didn't know you knew Spanish. Thank you for translating what the guy was saying. Now that I know he said something about the "girl" having glasses the whole "glowing eyes" makes more sense. It was the light reflecting off the lenses of the glasses. I still think someone set this guy up just to scare the $h_t out of him. There aren't much people who know that here, My parents are Chilean so I know Spanish fluent. And yes, it's much possible that this is a set up.
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Post by bendingoak on Sept 1, 2006 11:55:40 GMT -5
How much you want to bet the person who went to the site that had no history of ghost sightings would come back claiming to have seen something?
that would also depend on what that person believed in. We see what we wan't to see.
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Post by pitfallharry on Sept 1, 2006 13:59:06 GMT -5
That would also depend on what that person believed in. We see what we wan't to see. True, belief might play a factor in it as well. So what the people running the experiment would have to do is screen the people they ended up using and pick two that had no preconceived notions on anything.....better yet they could be skeptics on the whole subject.
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Sept 1, 2006 15:49:17 GMT -5
as I read when i first began ghost hunting..( yes..I said it!!) was that the best place to start is a place where you are CONVINCED there are NOT ghosts.....why??? simply because you will be more critical and look deeper into strange noises if your main goal is to debunk a haunting.. rather than to confirm your own beliefs... thats why I mentioned to pitfall.. if you want to try EVP work... do some in your home... your office.... your car even.... someplace you KNOW isn`t haunted... and thats where you`ll get the best " results.." and experience....
CJ
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Post by pitfallharry on Sept 1, 2006 18:36:03 GMT -5
When I get a chance I'll have to try it Cj. I enjoy reading about this stuff and I have an interest in it. I'm still open to the possibility of things like this existing but most of the time all I ever see seems to be faked or dubious in nature. Not to derail the Ghost topic but I was flipping stations on my car radio earlier and I stopped at one of those religious talk show stations and some lady called in and asked the host and his guest what they though of Aliens and UFO sightings and if, like her , they believed these events weren't extraterrestrial in nature but more likely demonic activity. The host sided with her and said if these things really were occurring then they'd have to be demonic activity. He then went on to explain the physical world and the spiritual world are always interacting and that the spiritual world is just another dimension outside of our own. Fine, I can understand that. What I can't understand his how one explanation can be more rational than another when it comes to these things. So it makes more sense demons are pretending to be aliens than the possibility of there might actually being other life out there and that maybe those other lifeforms might have found us and are watching!?!?!?!? I'm bringing this up in here because to me aliens, ghosts, vampires , werewolves, the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot all fit into the same category at the moment. There is very little physical proof any of these things really exist or existed. I know there are a lot more things that fall into this category but I'm to tired to list them. How someone can claim one thing makes more sense over another is beyond me.
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Sept 1, 2006 20:03:11 GMT -5
www.nationalghosthunters.comwww.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com < met these guys in NYC once... nice guys.. those are a few other links I frequent.... the first has links to good, Cheap equipment.....I bought my digital voice recorder from them.. 20 bucks... records up to ten hours of audio.. as for that lady and the call in radio show.. it reminds me of Blues Brothers 2000, when elwood drives the Bluesmobile Out From beneath the river..into a secret meeting of white supremecists and the leader screams " thats the International Jewish-Communist conspiracy in action people" I mean.. its totally rediculous... also reminds me of the Water boy.. " Aliens is the devil... same wit dat fooseball!!".... I hear ya pitfall.....
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Post by pitfallharry on Sept 1, 2006 20:23:59 GMT -5
Waterboy! ;D ;D ;D Man, I forgot about that......foosball! ;D I never did see Blues Brothers 2000. I love the first one though. By the way thanks for all the info, Cj. I'm half tempted to put on my Indy gear one night soon and go to one of the old grave yards here in town with a recorder just for the heck of it. Of course I'd probably get arrested for hanging out in a grave yard dressed as Indiana Jones. ;D Oh, well one night in the slammer builds character. ;D
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