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Post by pitfallharry on Mar 4, 2007 11:12:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure if anyone was aware of this or not....or even cares. I enjoyed the Terminator films, well the first two. I'm not a huge fans of the series though. When I caught word they were making a TV series I kind of cringed at the idea. Going by this lastest bit of news I still am. Basically the premise of the show follows Sarah Conner and John on the run after the end of T2.  And there are more terminators after them. Here's the latest news on the project. Headey on Fox's Sarrah Connor Chronicles
Source: SCI FI Wire March 4, 2007
SCI FI Wire caught up with 300 star Lena Headey, who talked more about playing the title character in the upcoming Fox pilot, "The Sarah Connor Chronicles."
Headey revealed that the show will begin with a confrontation between Headey's title character; her son, John Connor ("Heroes'" Thomas Dekker); and two new Terminators: a female model, played by "Serenity's" Summer Glau, and a male one, which she called Cromartie, played by Owain Yeoman. One is good and one is bad; she didn't say which is which. Glau's character is named Cameron, an apparent nod to "Terminator" franchise creator James Cameron.By the way the are also working on a T4 movie and Arnold will only have a cameo. I say let the franchise rest. |
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Mar 4, 2007 11:29:21 GMT -5
it shoulda rested with two... three was awful.. and gave nothing to the franchise except a really bad sense of closure. a TV series can and will only be worse
CJ
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Post by pitfallharry on Mar 4, 2007 11:38:19 GMT -5
Not only that it will also wreck the "timeline" for the movies. John never mentions encountering any other Terminators in the time period the TV show is based around in the beginning of the third film.  The whole thing is just a mess. I guess IF the characters would have succeeded in destroying Skynet at the end of T2 John would have disappeared. Skynet would have never existed and Kyle would have never been sent back to get Sarah pregnant. I wonder what Cameron thinks about all of this? I mean this was his "baby". |
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Post by Ragingblues on Mar 4, 2007 13:38:18 GMT -5
Even though I enjoyed a few scenes in Terminator 3, I agree with CJ that it only gave us a lackluster ending to an otherwise great series. I would have preferred not to see it be made, in hindsight.
The story of what happened in the Terminator series actually continues in the attraction at Universal Studios - Terminator 2: 3D, which is an awesome experience. For those who have never been, it involves a mega production with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton, and the kid who played John Connor in T2. Without giving it away for those who have never been, it dealt with Skynet... and actually takes you there in the story. The outcome of that production is actually referenced in T3, as it is fully part of the official storyline.
As said above... though I think the Terminator concept is a great one, I don't see how they could weave an alternate angle into with with other Terminators, and still have us believe the original plot stands true. If they really want to do something with it for television, why not just create another pivotal character that Skynet would want to destroy? They could keep the same theme and references in it, but use new characters to keep it fresh.
Just my 2 cents, which equals nothing in Hollyweird.
Ken
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Post by pitfallharry on Mar 4, 2007 13:42:51 GMT -5
Yeah, the new character idea would have been the better way to go. Maybe they thought people would be more interested in seeing a character from the films though. I don't think this show will last long. I knew of the T2 ride and but I wasn't sure how the "storyline" in that ride played out. You'll have to send me some spoilers through the PM sometime. I'll probably never get to see the ride. |
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Post by GCR on Mar 4, 2007 14:10:03 GMT -5
I think CJ hit the nail on the head. I really enjoyed the first two movies a lot. I think T2 is one of the rare instances where the sequel is superior to the original, not only for it's visual effects, but also for it's story, which I think has more depth than that of the original (which always seemed a bit like a cross between a sci-fi movie and a horror / slasher flick). Don't get me wrong, I think the original movie is awesome, I just think the second one is better. The turd movie? I mean, THIRD movie...  I could have lived without. They really should have left this franchise alone after T2. I can't stand it when Hollywood churns out lackluster sequels for famous (and quality) franchises simply to squeeze every last buck out of them. I hope my favorite franchise doesn't suffer the same fate next year... (BTW, "Hollyweird", nice one Ken ;D) -GCR |
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Post by Ragingblues on Mar 5, 2007 0:23:46 GMT -5
The Terminator 2:3D attraction at Universal Studios isn't a ride, but an experience. It involves live action, filmed action, live elements that affect the audience, pyrotechnics, large scale motion of the seats, floors, props, etc... and of course... probably the clearest 3D footage I have ever seen. It stars the real actors from the movie (as mentioned above), and always gets an applause from people when it's over. The big plot? Destroy Skynet. Were they successful? Well, you'll have to either make it to Orlando, Hollyweird (that was used again for you GCR  ), or Japan to see for yourself. Or, you could just watch T3 again... and listen for when they talk about whether or not they destroyed Skynet before. Ken |
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Post by pitfallharry on Mar 5, 2007 1:02:33 GMT -5
I've been reading a little bit more about the attraction. I always call them rides for some reason. Just an old habit.
It sounds pretty cool. Hopefully I'll get to see it someday. I read though that most fans don't consider the storyline "canon" because of a certain "plot hole" regarding the Terminator Universes rules on time travel. Cameron wrote and created the attraction so I guess if he says it's official than it's official.
I haven't seen T3 lately but I remember the speech at the beginning and how John speaks of them thinking they stopped Judgment Day when all they did was delay it. I assumed he was talking about the end of T2 when they destroyed the CPU and arm that the tech was based on to create Skynet. Is there a specific line that I should listen for that directly relates to the T2-3D attraction?
Well, I think all of us agree that this TV show isn't a good idea. I think this shows plot will wear thin real quick. To make matters worse they are making a T4!?! Why? I'm really not interested in watching 2 hours of a war set in a bleak future. We know who wins. If I was Cameron I'd be furious at all of this.
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Post by GCR on Mar 5, 2007 1:13:22 GMT -5
If I was Cameron I'd be furious at all of this. What does he care? He's made his money...now he's too busy raiding ancient Jewish tombs in the hopes of changing the world (and in the process taking a dump all over religion AND sciene, just so folks will pay attention to him again) to care what happens with the Terminator series. It is truly sad though...I really like the original pair of Terminator films.  -GCR |
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Post by Ragingblues on Mar 5, 2007 1:18:15 GMT -5
It's not a stretch to tell you that they do destroy Skynet in the storyline of the attraction. I think the line in T3 I was thinking of was the same on you mentioned, but I can see it having double meaning from the scene at the end of T2. He is referring to the end of Skynet there, which is what matters anyway. The storyline of the attraction (it's too different to call it anything else because of what all it includes)... doesn't offere any loop holes to conflict with the series at all. Like you said, Cameron wrote it himself.... and he would know. Heck, the whole series has a timeline issue, if they want to pick nits about something. How do you travel back in time to father your own best friend from the future anyway? What would happen if John Connor and Kyle Reese had a falling out or worse, had never met... he wouldn't have been able to go back time and do the deed, immediately reasing John from existence once the reverse timeline "deed" didn't occur? The whole thing could make you nuts trying to figure it out. We'll just stick to easier things like, was the hat grey or brown? Or, how come nobody noticed the block building rising from the desert floor, just next to where they dug "down" and found the entrance to the Well of the Souls?  Ken |
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Post by pitfallharry on Mar 5, 2007 1:22:46 GMT -5
Well, regardless of my personal distaste for what Cameron has become since Titanic I think they made a major mistake by continuing on with this series without him. I know he's got so much more going on like you said GCR but I can't help but think apart of all of this just doesn't sit well with him. It's clear these characters and the storyline were more than just money to him. If it were only about that the first two films wouldn't have been that good.
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Post by pitfallharry on Mar 5, 2007 1:33:06 GMT -5
It's not a stretch to tell you that they do destroy Skynet in the storyline of the attraction. I think the line in T3 I was thinking of was the same on you mentioned, but I can see it having double meaning from the scene at the end of T2. He is referring to the end of Skynet there, which is what matters anyway. The storyline of the attraction (it's too different to call it anything else because of what all it includes)... doesn't offer any loop holes to conflict with the series at all. Like you said, Cameron wrote it himself.... and he would know. Heck, the whole series has a timeline issue, if they want to pick nits about something. How do you travel back in time to father your own best friend from the future anyway? What would happen if John Connor and Kyle Reese had a falling out or worse, had never met... he wouldn't have been able to go back time and do the deed, immediately reasing John from existence once the reverse timeline "deed" didn't occur? The whole thing could make you nuts trying to figure it out. We'll just stick to easier things like, was the hat grey or brown? Or, how come nobody noticed the block building rising from the desert floor, just next to where they dug "down" and found the entrance to the Well of the Souls? Ken As Indy fans I think we should all be thankful that "for better or worse" the original team behind these films has stuck together. I don't know if I would trust anyone else with the character.....especially if the rights were sold off and the future of the character was left in the hands of studio execs. You are right about the "Time Travel" stuff in these movies. It's enough to make you pull your hair out. I remember sitting there in the theater watching the end of T2 and wondering why John just didn't disappear when the CPU, arm and T-800 were destroyed. I mean if they really stopped Skynet there wouldn't even have been a time machine to send Reese back! Maybe this was Cameron's hint to the audience that they didn't stop Skynet. ....Or maybe he just didn't have a clue. ;D I just can't see how they can build a show around this or the time period in which it takes place. Your going to paint yourself into a corner because you'll run out of material. |
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Post by Havana on Mar 6, 2007 9:00:13 GMT -5
This is incredibly lame. I think they're stretching the storyline beyond the breaking point. So they just keep sending terminators back to kill this John Connor. You'd think that eventually they would get it right if only by chance. If one terminator is so good that he can "almost" kill John Connor, why not send back 2 or 20 at once. They're really dragging this franchise through the mud. I hate to see that happen. It's the same thing that they did to Jaws. Sometimes you've just got to know when to quit.
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Post by pitfallharry on Mar 6, 2007 11:03:01 GMT -5
This is incredibly lame. I think they're stretching the storyline beyond the breaking point. So they just keep sending terminators back to kill this John Connor. You'd think that eventually they would get it right if only by chance. If one terminator is so good that he can "almost" kill John Connor, why not send back 2 or 20 at once. They're really dragging this franchise through the mud. I hate to see that happen. It's the same thing that they did to Jaws. Sometimes you've just got to know when to quit. I agree! I think they should have just ended it all with T3 and Cameron should have done it. I guess what I don't understand is they explained in the third film that John was no longer the target....it was his wife. So why wouldn't they focus on killing her back in the past? I mean she was John's age and knew him in school. This show will last about as long as the Blade tv show did..... |
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Post by Havana on Mar 6, 2007 12:43:57 GMT -5
I think this show is doomed. The movies (the first 2 at least) were known for incredible action sequences that would just build and build. You can't do that on a TV budget. Also, you can't make it too violent. Maybe these new terminators will be more mild. Instead of trying to pull out John's heart, they'll just befriend him and convince him to start smoking and maybe take up skydiving or motorcycle jumping. In the end, he'll be just as dead and they will have accomplished their mission. Why not just get him to be in the wrong place when a diasaster occurs? They do have knowledge of the future, right? I think they need to send a terminator back to destory the script for Terminator 3 before it happens.
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Post by GCR on Mar 6, 2007 13:30:26 GMT -5
This show will last about as long as the Blade tv show did..... There was a Blade TV show??? -GCR |
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Post by pitfallharry on Mar 6, 2007 14:33:42 GMT -5
This show will last about as long as the Blade tv show did..... There was a Blade TV show??? -GCR Yeah, it was on Spike TV. Trust me.....you didn't miss anything.  |
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Post by GCR on Mar 6, 2007 14:41:16 GMT -5
Yeah, it was on Spike TV. Trust me.....you didn't miss anything. Spike TV??? Just kidding...I know all about Spike TV, where else can you catch Most Extreme Elimination Challenge? -GCR |
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Post by Connecticut Jones on Mar 6, 2007 19:02:58 GMT -5
" laidies and Gentlemen.. those two backscratchers themselves.. Kenny blankenship and Vic Rooooooooomanoooooo" announcer guy.. " uhh hello... Guy le Dou... ( god i forgot what that meant for a moment!)." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D CJ |
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Post by Ragingblues on Jul 31, 2007 18:31:26 GMT -5
"The Sarah Connor Chronicles" Previewwww.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=22592 It's time for Arnold Schwarzenegger to utter those immortal words one more time – "I'll be back!'
Fox is debuting their new action series, "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." "300's" Lena Headey plays the title character, which is an origin franchise for her role – before her Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines demise. The series picks up after "T2"; Sarah and John Connor find themselves as fugitives from the law, and are running from their enemies.
Now all the fans are hoping writer and executive producer Josh Friedman can deliver the goods from the film series. "When we first started this, people said, 'This takes place between T2 and T3.' As far as I'm concerned, this is T3; this is the continuation of what I would call the Sarah Connor trilogy. I think anything that happens after T2 is fair game for us., and I think the ending of T2 – the exploding killing Cyberdine, killing Miles Dyson – sort of changes the timeline for anything in the future."
The big draw from the pilot episode was the special effects; director David Nutter mentioned how they'll be keeping up the intensity. "I think there's been a lot of research and development from the people doing the special effects, Zoic. And a lot of times, once they've done a lot of this research and development, a lot of the stuff isn't really as expensive to do. So there will be just as many effects and large-scale things alongside many of the episodes."
Picking up the pace from Arnold and Kristanna Loken is Summer Glau (Serenity, "Firefly") as the new Terminator, Cameron. This time, she's a teen girl in the role helping to save the world. But Summer says she's ready to kick ass in the new series. "I spoke to Josh a lot about how he wanted my Terminator to be, and I think we're going to make my Terminator the most advanced model so far. It's her human traits; she's going to be the most human Terminator so far, so that's what I'm striving for. I was just so excited to play this kind of character because in a way she's much like River (Tam) in that she's isolated. And she's different in how she relates and how she communicates; but she's very strong and she can't genuinely feel emotion. I was excited that Josh gave me the opportunity to try this role and that's something that is going to be the most challenging part about her. I want people to be able to relate to her and in some way, see themselves in here just like I try with all my characters."
Now for Lena, transforming herself out of the shadow of Linda Hamilton is something she can't wait for – but going to the gym? We'll have to wait for that. "I'm in training right now and just doing regular workouts; this series is going to develop and, I think, along with that, so will her physicality because we find them at a different point."
Because everyone saw 300, I don't think I have to state – Lena, you're hot; keep staying hot, don't change anything!
What can fans expect for the time travel aspect? Friedman notes, "I believe the end of 'Terminator 2' is '97; the decision to leap forward is both an aesthetic one and story-wise will turn out to be an important one. There's reasons to come to this specific time, this specific place; it's a show that's about time travel, but it's not a time travel show. I think certainly we will see characters, both human and less so, returning from the future to the present. But there are no plans right now to jump anyone to the future.”
Just to point out the time period for the series, Summer mentioned her character was born in the year 2027, and she and John Connor are attending high school.
Producer James Middleton weighed in on the time travel issue as well. "I think it's really a core thing about our show. Our characters operate and a fight a battle every episode based on faith that they can prevent Judgment Day - now, they're going to do everything that they can to do that. But the odds against them are formidable, they have a formidable enemy; so how they operate every day is to fight the fight they best hey can in each episode."
Now everyone knows, Eddie Furlong did such a great job as John Connor in the movie series, Thomas Dekker ("Heroes") has some mighty big shoes to fill (ok, you can stop laughing now). "I grew up really hooked on these films, so it's very ironic I'm getting to do this," the actor says. "I know for the younger generation, and for myself, John was equally important to me as Sarah was. I know a lot of people I hear from really care about John, and I felt I knew that character. In the series, Jon's life is constantly evolving, and it evolved a lot from where it was in the films; he's having to hide, he's having to keep his head down. In the beginning of T2, he's able to keep his head up; he's carefree and I think he's had to close down a lot more. He's a little quieter and he's a little more pensive; he's having to wake up to the fact that this won't go away, and he has to really step up to the plate. So I'm trying to incorporate the main characteristics and emotional core of what was there in the films, while adjusting it to his current time and place that we're seeing in the series."
Okay, I know what you're all wondering – will Arnold make a cameo? Well, it sounds unlikely. "We've talked a lot about it," says Friedman. "But the reality is, as governor, he's incredibly busy. And as a star, he's incredibly expensive."
So maybe we won't get a cameo from the Governator, but heck, we all know how it's going to end, right? But you can look forward to the race of Terminators coming to your television screens midseason on "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" on Fox. ----------------------------------------------------- Ken
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Post by GCR on Jul 31, 2007 21:23:13 GMT -5
Hmmm...sounds intriguing. I might just give this one a watch after all. Come to think of it, it's been a few years since I saw any of the Terminator films (hell, I haven't even seen all of T3 yet).
Thanks for the heads-up on this one, Ken!
-GCR
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