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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Apr 30, 2010 16:10:01 GMT -5
Hey, there! I've known this for a long time now, but it seems to be something that many Star Wars fans who produce media seem to overlook.
I think that Luke knew Jedi Master Kenobi before the day that they left Tatooine in the Falcon, and I've got the following evidence in order of increasing impact.
3: Luke is devastated when Ben was killed by Darth Vader.
2: When Luke tells C-3PO of Ben's whereabouts, he says "I don't know anyone named Obi - Wan, but... Old Ben lives just beyond the dune sea." Luke never says "according to legend" or something like that. He seems pretty sure this is where he lives.
1: When we are first introduced to Ben Kenobi, Ben says "Tell me, young Luke, what brings you all the way out here?" He seems to know his name. Of course, this could be just force telepathy, but this obviously isn't so, because Luke's reply was "This little droid." That's it. No "How do you know my name?" or anything.
At least that's my theory. I think that George Lucas originally planned Star Wars to be like this. I'm pretty sure there's someone else out there who's read between the lines in this issue.
Steven
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Post by Mr. Fusion on May 2, 2010 17:25:09 GMT -5
Jedi Master Kenobi also tells Luke he tried to give Anakin's lightsaber to him, but Owen wouldn't allow it. I always assumed he was someone Luke would see in town or at the market and Owen always ran him off or something. Luke definitely knew OF Jedi Master Kenobi. He probably did know him personally, somewhat before the events of Star Wars. Besides, it was Jedi Master Kenobi's job to look over Luke after delivering him to Owen and Beru.
-Josh
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on May 2, 2010 17:48:06 GMT -5
Yep, it was his job to watch Luke. My brother, Timothy, has been reading our library's "The Life and Legend of Obi - Wan Kenobi" for awhile. I might read it sometime. I don't know if Tim finished it or if they ever mention Obi - Wan's relationship to Luke prior to Episode IV. If it doesn't, then what the relationship actually was will be a mystery of the Saga.
Steven
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Post by Mr. Fusion on May 4, 2010 22:00:08 GMT -5
If it doesn't, then what the relationship actually was will be a mystery of the Saga. I highly doubt that. There is a TON of expanded universe, most of which is canon. I'm sure there's a back story somewhere. -Josh |
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on May 5, 2010 19:51:36 GMT -5
I'm reading that book about Jedi Master Kenobi's Life right now. If I don't find it, I'll search elsewhere. I'll let you know if I find anything.
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Post by parttime on May 5, 2010 22:56:12 GMT -5
Yall have got a good topic giong,
I reallize that as well planed as Lucas tried to lay out a very complex story which starts in the middle he was shooting from the hip during "New Hope" on a tight schedule and an even tighter budget.
Theres probably a lot of things he would've like to have fixed or explained better but it just wasn't possible. That was probably frustrating to him.
One particular item along the line of your topic is the relationship between Jedi Master Kenobi and R2.
As we learn in episodes 1-3 they had a lot of interaction with each other. However in New Hope Jedi Master Kenobi seems to have no recallection of R2 what so ever. Was Jedi Master Kenobi just playing it cool or was this a missing link in a chain of movies filmed so many years apart?
-Dusty
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Post by Mr. Fusion on May 6, 2010 0:19:23 GMT -5
This is from the Star Wars Wiki: "In what was possibly the first encounter Skywalker remembered having with Kenobi, Skywalker and Windy Marstrap were cruising down Beggar's Canyon in Skywalker's T-16 skyhopper in search of womp rats to bullseye. Crashing, the two managed to evade Sand People and discourage Jawas from stealing the skyhopper. Making camp in a cave, they were cornered by a krayt dragon, but Kenobi arrived and chased it off. Then, taming a dewback, the hermit returned Skywalker and Marstrap to the Lars homestead." "A few years later, Kenobi had found Luke and his friend Windy alone in the Jundland Wastes. The two youths had tried to ease their boredom by riding Windy's pet dewback Huey around in the Wastes. They had been thrown in one of the canyons. By dusk, Luke and Windy still hadn't found their way out of the canyon and had been cornered in a cave by a krayt dragon. The dragon ate Huey and would have devoured Luke and Windy had Kenobi not put it in a Force-induced sleep. Kenobi guided them back to the Lars farm, Owen told Luke and his friend to go inside so they would be out of earshot, then he confronted and berated Kenobi. The reason for Owen's anger was that Kenobi had attempted to give Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber to Luke, feeling that Luke was old enough and should be allowed to have it. Owen refused to allow it because he believed the Jedi path was a destructive one. He told Kenobi that he didn't want Luke to make the same mistakes Anakin Skywalker did, saying that he felt Anakin should have never left his mother and gotten involved with the "damn foolish idealistic Jedi crusaders" in the first place. He vehemently told Kenobi to leave and to stay away.[51] At some unspecified point, Kenobi thought of trying to track down and trace Outbound Flight as there were twenty Jedi amongst its number, possibly the largest group of Jedi in existence. What he didn't know is that Outbound Flight had been destroyed by Commander Mitth'raw'nuruodo and all the Jedi aboard had perished. He recorded what information he could gather into an electronic tome which Princess Leia and Han Solo later recovered in 8 ABY. Although they were not able to immediately unlock the data, C-3PO at least determined what was on the device." starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_skywalkerstarwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi Master Kenobi_Kenobi -Josh |
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Post by zmarty on Sept 25, 2012 16:47:24 GMT -5
But was it both R2 and C-3PO who had their memories erased? Or was it just C-3PO? If it was both droids, I would think Master Kenobi played it cool. It's kind of like talking to a person with Alzheimer's; you are familiar with the person but you dont want to freak them out because they are unfamiliar with you. I hope that made sense,
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 25, 2012 18:40:40 GMT -5
But was it both R2 and C-3PO who had their memories erased? Or was it just C-3PO? If it was both droids, I would think Master Kenobi played it cool. It's kind of like talking to a person with Alzheimer's; you are familiar with the person but you dont want to freak them out because they are unfamiliar with you. I hope that made sense, Well, according to Episode III, it was just C-3PO. R2-D2 knew who Obi- Wan was, because he had a message to deliver to him. I don't think that it was Obi- Wan forgetting R2. The conversation was about whether he owned R2. "I don't seem to recall owning a droid." He probably didn't even own R4; she was probably the property of the Jedi Order. Steven |
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Post by niagrawhipco on Sept 25, 2012 22:22:57 GMT -5
I think the dialog about Jedi Master Kenobi trying to give Luke the lightsaber but Uncle Owen forbidding it pretty much establishes that Luke at the very least, had knowledge of Ben Kenobi. He clearly didn't know anyone named Jedi Master Kenobi. The way the scenes when they talk on Tatooinne play, you get the sense that they met before, but Jedi Master Kenobi had to keep his distance as per Owen's orders. Plus, given that Owen was the next of kin, Jedi Master Kenobi probably had no legal right to raise Luke himself.
As for Jedi Master Kenobi recognizing R2, I would say he knew the droid, and that the droid clearly knew him. The only reason why Ben didn't tell Luke was because he really had no reason to. What good would it have done to tell Luke that the droid had been in the possession of his father and mother? Astromechs are also very prevalent in that universe.
I have no idea why whenever I type in Ben's formal first name, the forum automatically changes it.
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Post by Mr. Fusion on Sept 26, 2012 2:28:50 GMT -5
I have no idea why whenever I type in Ben's formal first name, the forum automatically changes it. I think, in the earlier days of the Indy Lounge, there was a lot of "unnecessary" or unwanted talk about COW. So, the admin did an auto-correct for Club Obi - Wan. That's what I understood when I became a member here. I hardly check COW, myself. -Josh |
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Post by zmarty on Mar 3, 2013 23:58:26 GMT -5
Well, it makes me think that they have met before. Obviously, Uncle Owen knows the true identity of Jedi Master Kenobi, but keeps his knowledge of Jedi Master Kenobi and Jedi Master Kenobi's identity a secret. Naturally, he didnt want to be a suspect in hiding a rebel, endangering his family and Jedi Master Kenobi. So he just tells Luke that he is a crazy old man. He was just protecting Luke from being swept into the rebellion with the ideas of Jedi Master Kenobi. It's like having a neighbor down the road that you hardly know of. You see them all the time, you just dont converse. If you do, its a simple "Hi, how are you?" Right? So they know each other, they just dont get to know each other.
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