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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 23, 2010 23:53:24 GMT -5
Nice! Enjoy them!  Steven |
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Post by Biker Jacket Jones on Sept 24, 2010 12:44:57 GMT -5
What I saw today forced a double take out of me. They have updated their US Wings Original Pattern Indy-style "Legend" Jacket with a number of new leather choices. The biggest difference is the differentiation between their imported and U.S. made jackets. Yes, that's right--they're actually making a distinction now, and offering those choices on the same model. First is their Cowhide, Imported. Reg is $295, Long is $315, just like before. Get USA Made, and it jumps all the way to $495 for Reg, $515 for Long. Wow. Wow. They must have a lot of faith in their Cowhide when either version of their other USA Made Cowhides is $399 Reg, $417 Long. Next, Striated Lamb is $295 Reg, $315 Long for Imported, and again $495 and $515 for Reg and Long for USA Made. Sort of slingshots around their standard USW Striated Lambskin Indy-style Hero Jacket which is $395 and $415 for Reg and Long. Horsehide for this pattern is $395 and $415 for Reg and Long... wait, what? Didn't it use to be $295 and $315 for this pattern? Looks like they've upped the prices to match their standard USW Horsehide Indy-style Hero Jacket... except they removed that product off of their product line. Whu? Now they don't offer a Horsehide with two inside pockets. But, hey, I'm a pocket freak, so... yeah. It also appears to be Imported only, and with the prices matching the regular Horsehide they used to have, that suggests that that and the plain USW Striated Lambskin Indy-style Hero Jacket are indeed imported. And finally, Bison is $595 and $615 for Reg and Long... wait? What? Bison? BISON? A USW Indy-style Adventurer Jacket for $600? Wow. Wow. Wow. It also appears to be exclusively USA Made. Quite a deal, a U.S. Wings Bison Indy-style Adventurer Jacket for $600. Lotsa more spaghetti in this off-board topic. |
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Post by modelmaker4 on Sept 24, 2010 13:01:08 GMT -5
they are probably still sorting things out, at least you can have an option on either imorted or usa made. Me, i'd stick with the usa made. but then i have a wested and a us made us wings adventurer.
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 24, 2010 14:06:18 GMT -5
Now that's just crazy! Why don't they just throw out all of their other jackets and only sell their "Legend" Jacket? That would've at least simplified things. And meanwhile, there's STILL no Calfskin Raiders Jacket up for sale.  Maybe Todd could add Calfskin as an option to his Jackets, once he's done with the pants. Oh, well. On a happier note, I'm FINALLY an Expedition Leader! And nobody cares but me! Steven |
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 24, 2010 14:11:21 GMT -5
Okay, just now, they categorized the Indy Jackets.  There's a section for the Legend, the Hero, the Signatures, the Kid's, and the Fedora Hats. Steven |
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Post by modelmaker4 on Sept 24, 2010 14:59:24 GMT -5
i like how they have categorized the page, much more organized and cleaner looking.
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Post by Biker Jacket Jones on Sept 24, 2010 15:05:18 GMT -5
Okay, just now, they categorized the Indy Jackets. There's a section for the Legend, the Hero, the Signatures, the Kid's, and the Fedora Hats. Steven It's about time, too. But, on another note.... And meanwhile, there's STILL no Calfskin Raiders Jacket up for sale. Maybe Todd could add Calfskin as an option to his Jackets, once he's done with the pants. Actually, if you look back at older threads like this, you'll see that Todd did, indeed, offer calfskin at one time. I don't hear anything about it anymore, but you could give him a ring and see if he still offers it just to check, or maybe stir up some interest. |
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 24, 2010 16:46:37 GMT -5
I wonder why Todd stopped offering it? I'm sure that if he sold them in calf again, the people who worry about the durability of lamb could get one. But, I'll buy a Todd's no matter what. Although I might buy another one after that if it also came in calf. Steven |
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 24, 2010 16:54:45 GMT -5
And, regarding your earlier post... Why would a USA-made jacket be cheaper more expensive than an imported one? Steven |
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Post by Biker Jacket Jones on Sept 24, 2010 19:00:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure. Presently, it isn't. The closest thing to this is that their Legend Cowhide made in USA is $495 against $399 for either their VIP Cowhide or their Collector's Cowhide, which are also USA Made. You're essentially paying $100 to get something that more closely resembles the original Raiders patter in Cowhide. Same thing with the USA Made Legend striated lambskin. You pay $100 over a comparable USA Made Signature Series lambskin jacket for the Raiders pattern and the "striated" nature of the lambskin. I guess it's in what you value and what you're willing to pay. Some might call it a ripoff, and some might think the Raiders pattern or striated lambskin is worth $100. It's worth what the customer is willing to pay in a free market like this.
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Post by Noah on Sept 24, 2010 19:58:06 GMT -5
Here's an update from Todd about his custom jackets. He hasn't be selling them for a while, but now he's got them back up: "Okay, we're going to give it a go... again. It seems lately there is a lot more interest in custom jackets with different hides. A few years ago there just wasn't much interest, so we took them off the menu. We're keeping the price at $499 as long as customizing is limited to size and sleeve length. More difficult customizing ("I'm six foot six and have a 38" chest but a 48" waist" kind of thing) will be extra charged by the hour. It may take an extra hour or eight depending on how extensive the deviation from our standard pattern is. Leather choices for now are our custom lamb, washed lamb, deerskin-tanned cowhide, and bison (very grainy and very soft!) We will have swatch photos up soon. Also, we'll have some samples at the QM Ft.MacArthur day for your inspection. Colors are also an option. Todd" |
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Post by New Yorker Jones on Sept 26, 2010 14:44:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure. Presently, it isn't. The closest thing to this is that their Legend Cowhide made in USA is $495 against $399 for either their VIP Cowhide or their Collector's Cowhide, which are also USA Made. You're essentially paying $100 to get something that more closely resembles the original Raiders patter in Cowhide. Same thing with the USA Made Legend striated lambskin. You pay $100 over a comparable USA Made Signature Series lambskin jacket for the Raiders pattern and the "striated" nature of the lambskin. I guess it's in what you value and what you're willing to pay. Some might call it a ripoff, and some might think the Raiders pattern or striated lambskin is worth $100. It's worth what the customer is willing to pay in a free market like this. Actually the USA made Legends jackets are $200 more than the imports. Take a look: www.uswings.com/ijlegend.asp |
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 26, 2010 14:58:17 GMT -5
Here's an update from Todd about his custom jackets. He hasn't be selling them for a while, but now he's got them back up: "Okay, we're going to give it a go... again. It seems lately there is a lot more interest in custom jackets with different hides. A few years ago there just wasn't much interest, so we took them off the menu. We're keeping the price at $499 as long as customizing is limited to size and sleeve length. More difficult customizing ("I'm six foot six and have a 38" chest but a 48" waist" kind of thing) will be extra charged by the hour. It may take an extra hour or eight depending on how extensive the deviation from our standard pattern is. Leather choices for now are our custom lamb, washed lamb, deerskin-tanned cowhide, and bison (very grainy and very soft!) We will have swatch photos up soon. Also, we'll have some samples at the QM Ft.MacArthur day for your inspection. Colors are also an option. Todd" Cool!  Steven |
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Post by Biker Jacket Jones on Sept 27, 2010 11:18:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure. Presently, it isn't. The closest thing to this is that their Legend Cowhide made in USA is $495 against $399 for either their VIP Cowhide or their Collector's Cowhide, which are also USA Made. You're essentially paying $100 to get something that more closely resembles the original Raiders patter in Cowhide. Same thing with the USA Made Legend striated lambskin. You pay $100 over a comparable USA Made Signature Series lambskin jacket for the Raiders pattern and the "striated" nature of the lambskin. I guess it's in what you value and what you're willing to pay. Some might call it a ripoff, and some might think the Raiders pattern or striated lambskin is worth $100. It's worth what the customer is willing to pay in a free market like this. Actually the USA made Legends jackets are $200 more than the imports. Take a look: www.uswings.com/ijlegend.aspI know about that, as I mentioned in a previous post. I was comparing the USA Made Legend jackets against the USA Made Signature Series jackets that are $100 in difference. |
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Post by ron521 on Sept 28, 2010 16:25:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure why there is a $100 difference between the US made Signature Series and the US made Legend.
However, there should be no surprise over the price difference between the imported jackets and those made in the US.
That said, I like my US made Signature Series VIP cowhide a lot.
If I were going to buy a Legend, I would, without hesitation, purchase the US made version, and be assured that my money is staying here in the US.
The only quality problems I've ever heard regarding US Wings jackets have been the imported "Hero" jackets. Not all of them, not even most of them, but a few odd ones have slipped through.
I've never heard anyone complain about the US made versions.
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 28, 2010 16:46:45 GMT -5
Accuracy. The Signature Series is based on a pattern made up by U.S. Wings that resembles an Indy Jacket. The Legend is based on an original pattern from the filming of Raiders a pattern that more closely resembles the Raiders Jacket. The Legend is a lot closer to what we see in Raiders than the Signature Series, thus us gearheads would be willing to spend more money on a great quality guaranteed #4 (SA on the accuracy scale in my signature) jacket than on a great quality #3 (Indy-Style on the accuracy scale in my signature) jacket. However, I'd rather lose less money than more money, no matter where it goes. I'd buy one of the hit-and-miss quality #4 jackets.
Steven
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Post by Kt. Templar on Sept 28, 2010 17:22:12 GMT -5
Accuracy. The Signature Series is based on a pattern made up by U.S. Wings that resembles an Indy Jacket. The Legend is based on an original pattern from the filming of Raiders. The Legend is a lot closer to what we see in Raiders than the Signature Series, thus us gearheads would be willing to spend more money on a great quality guaranteed Grade 4 (SA on the accuracy scale in my signature) jacket than on a great quality Grade 3 (Indy-Style on the accuracy scale in my signature) jacket. However, I'd rather lose less money than more money, no matter where it goes. I'd buy one of the hit-and-miss quality Grade 4 jackets. Steven That bold part is in significant doubt now. Neil Cooper's name has been removed from all Wings advertising. so 1) Cooper did not hand over a pattern or 2) He was not paid the fee he wanted. It's all very mirky. Take all of that with a very large pinch of salt. |
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Post by Ragingblues on Sept 28, 2010 19:53:50 GMT -5
Accuracy. The Signature Series is based on a pattern made up by U.S. Wings that resembles an Indy Jacket. The Legend is based on an original pattern from the filming of Raiders. The Legend is a lot closer to what we see in Raiders than the Signature Series, thus us gearheads would be willing to spend more money on a great quality guaranteed Grade 4 (SA on the accuracy scale in my signature) jacket than on a great quality Grade 3 (Indy-Style on the accuracy scale in my signature) jacket. However, I'd rather lose less money than more money, no matter where it goes. I'd buy one of the hit-and-miss quality Grade 4 jackets. Steven That bold part is in significant doubt now. Neil Cooper's name has been removed from all Wings advertising. so 1) Cooper did not hand over a pattern or 2) He was not paid the fee he wanted. It's all very mirky. Take all of that with a very large pinch of salt. I second what KT said and add this... Follow the twisting trail of wild claims regarding the Indy jacket saga, and you will always find someone trying to make a buck by re-writing history to include themselves as key pieces of the operation. You could get really dizzy seeking truth in that whole story and end up broke buying every new jacket that's supposed to be "the one" in the process. I contend that buying a jacket you like best and can easily afford is the right one for you. There is no perfect design that rules them all anyway... because the original screen jackets varied from each other as well. So find one that fits you well, fits your budget well, and has as many of the notable elements as are important to you. Then, ignore all the new re-writes of history. They only line someone else's pockets and pad the egos of people that desperately want attention without merit. That's the only way to find real happiness with your jacket purchase, IMO. Ken |
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 28, 2010 20:01:53 GMT -5
Gotcha...  I corrected my post. Still, an imported Striated Lamb Legend Jacket sounds very good to me. I might add one to my wish-list. Steven |
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Post by Noah on Sept 28, 2010 20:46:13 GMT -5
There's so much going on about the US Wings Raiders jacket, I don't know what to believe anymore. I'm not sure exactly what's going on regarding this. So I agree with Ken, get a jacket that you're happy with.  |
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Post by ron521 on Sept 29, 2010 14:17:12 GMT -5
Also, some people prefer a Raiders jacket, others prefer the style of Last Crusade.
Last Crusade fans would more likely be happy with a Signature Series rather than a Legend.
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 29, 2010 14:21:25 GMT -5
Well, a majority of fans go for the Raiders look. U.S. Wings probably predicted more money from the Raiders pattern than any other. Steven |
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Post by Noah on Sept 29, 2010 14:41:36 GMT -5
They are actually planning to make jackets from each of the movies. So they started with the Raiders jacket. Maybe because of the 30th anniversary of Raiders. |
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Post by Pennsylvania Jones on Sept 29, 2010 14:54:30 GMT -5
Ahh, I see...
So what are they going to call the next ones? "Myth," "Truth," and "Absurdity?"
Steven
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Post by Noah on Sept 29, 2010 15:05:06 GMT -5
Ahh, I see... So what are they going to call the next ones? "Myth," "Truth," and "Absurdity?" Steven I think for now they're just calling it jacket 2, 3, and 4. I'm not sure what names they'll be giving them though. |
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