indybyrd24
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Post by indybyrd24 on Mar 9, 2010 11:33:49 GMT -5
Hi alkalijones, I was not aware that Todd's was in the process of making pants. That is a new one on me. I have actually used some of your research and information on the pants, (hope that was ok), for my aunt, who is a tailor, to start contruction on me a pair of pants. I will post pics as soon as we get those done. However, I'd still like to get another pair as a spare.
Indy Byrd
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Post by alkalijones on Mar 9, 2010 17:33:35 GMT -5
Hey indybyrd24,
This information was posted to help "whoever" get the most accurate pants they can buy or make. I wish Todd well in his attempt to make acurate Indy pants and I wish you well also. I wish Wested well, too, but they're not too concerned at the moment it seems. I've even spoken to Magnoli since this has been posted and he let me know he has made some changes to his pants as well. So the way I see it, everybody wins with just collecting some information and sharing it.
Dan S
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Post by jock on Apr 22, 2012 7:16:37 GMT -5
Hi, new member here. This is a great thread with fantastic information. I'm in the market for a pair and I've shown Mrs. Jock this info in the hopes that she can make them. In the mean time, I'd still like to purchase a pair. In your opinion, who has the most accurate rendition? Wested's looks great as does the Magnoli. Does anyone know what the actual color is? Forgive me if this has been answered already. Thanks.
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Post by Mr. Fusion on Apr 28, 2012 0:06:45 GMT -5
In the mean time, I'd still like to purchase a pair. In your opinion, who has the most accurate rendition? Wested's looks great as does the Magnoli. Does anyone know what the actual color is? Forgive me if this has been answered already. Thanks. Welcome! Todd's Costumes makes a great pair of Raiders pants, especially for the price. Be sure to email first about sizing info. They tend to measure a little small in the waist. I would like to also tell of the quality of Wested's pants, but I don't own a pair yet. -Josh
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fifthchamber
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Post by fifthchamber on Apr 28, 2012 1:53:37 GMT -5
Wested are great quality....I love mine...Good colour, nice fabric, and decent to wear....The design is a touch off the Screen used set, Todds are a far better buy in that regard, but if you're not overly worried about the design (pocket shape etc) then the Wested are fine..You'll need to get them shortened since they come unhemmed, but that's easy enough to do....
Magnoli's are great.... Mine are lovely...As long as your measurements for his site are ok, he makes the best set out there aside from Todds....Design is perfect, colour is dead on, and the fabric is perfect too...
The best are undoubtedly Todds though...Cheaper, great design (spot on, with the small exception of the belt holders) and the fabric feels much better than any of the others...If you have a choice, and Todd has the size, buy Todds...Failing that, either Wested or Magnoli are fine...
I'd say.
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Post by gary on Dec 23, 2012 16:43:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the details of indy pants.
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Post by indywannabbe on Jun 24, 2013 18:59:24 GMT -5
Does anyone think a cargo type pant with flap back pockets in khaki colour is a good substitute for an Indy pant?
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Post by fifthchamber on Jun 25, 2013 2:11:04 GMT -5
Nah....Too many pockets...And not formal enough, or period related enough to work......You're far better going with straight up Khaki pants/Chinos.....Those would be far closer to Indy style pants.......
Cargo's aren't the style/look/fit that Indiana Jones went with....Although they are indeed great trousers to use....Not for Indiana Jones...
I reckon...
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Post by indywannabbe on Jun 25, 2013 6:34:32 GMT -5
Nah....Too many pockets...And not formal enough, or period related enough to work......You're far better going with straight up Khaki pants/Chinos.....Those would be far closer to Indy style pants....... Cargo's aren't the style/look/fit that Indiana Jones went with....Although they are indeed great trousers to use....Not for Indiana Jones... I reckon... Point taken. But I have just bought a dark grey and khaki coloured pair, as I think they are a decent alternative when you don't fancy chinos which are a bit more formal as you say. Cargo pants I think still have that military and adventurer spirit to them which I like, and I think they can go well with the leather jacket. And I also think they can look quite smart if the pockets aren't to bulky and a bit more subtle.
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Post by fifthchamber on Jun 25, 2013 23:13:03 GMT -5
Disagree on the "smart" thing....Cargo pants are cargo pants...They're great to wear, but they're not smart....Not unless you're in the military, and even then, those aren't what you'd wear to anything formal.....They do a great job..But they're not "that"... ;-)
I happen to agree about the spirit thing, for sure...They're what I'd wear if I was trekking in the jungle, but they aren't correct for Indiana Jones, and so there ends the relevance to his character....Sadly...
I like em'....But not as a variation on an Indy costume, basically....
They do rock though... ;-)
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Post by madkidjedi on Jun 26, 2013 0:14:08 GMT -5
As someone who sought out 'close-enough' Indy pants for years, I thought I might chime into this discussion. I have searched for "Indy-pant-ernatives" through every thrift store men's pants rack that I encounter during my store visits (which I visit... a LOT). I don't think I've ever spent more than 10 bucks on any pair I've picked up, and I've amassed so many pair that I started to sell them on eBay to those with less initiative. www.ebay.com/itm/330934451440?ssPageName=STRK:MEUSX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1560.l2649Not everything I picked up was correct, either. In my searches, 'close-enough' meant foregoing things like correct number of belt loops... pleats... both pockets having flaps. As someone with a modicum of sewing skills (and buying without the initial intention of after-marketing them) these wasn't a deal breaker. Anyway.. to my point. Alternatives ARE out there. I think what indywannabbe was asking for approval about was not "cargo pant" so much as khakis or chinos. And many of the pair that I've found (as my personal weight and waistline has wavered in recent years) have served me well. Even in the midst of other die-hard Indy-aficionados at conventions and costuming events I've never had anyone call me out for the pants. I've even won cos-play contests wearing my 'close-enough' pants. Although... I'd never wear anything that didn't have both rear pocket-flaps with the 'point-at-bottom-center' cut to them, though I have worn (gasp!) un-pleated and six-belt-looped pairs. The color always had to be darker than the shirt... and that's an easy thing to find in a pair of Khaki/chino pants. My searches evolved as my research into Indy costuming did, and I began to buy darker-khaki and medium-brown colored ones, often leaving the light-khaki and tan ones behind, even if the correct attributes were there. Occasionally I'd come across a pair of woolen ones, or with a heavier weave of fabric... closer to the real thing. Recently, my eBaying led me to bidding on an actual pair of Wested made Indiana Jones pants, if only just to own them. Though not my size (well... not exactly...I'm a comfortable 36 now; they're 34's), I decided I had to try to win 'em, and I did... and for a sweet $22!!! When they arrived, I had to try them on... and they actually fit!! Well... sorta. Tight, but wearable. But at least now I had something to base further research on. And I found that what my quests had 'evolved' into was actually pretty good, and that my 'substitution chinos' that I had been wearing were awfully damn close. In closing: We know what attribute the pants have. We know that we strive for accuracy in our Indy-costuming. But none of us are counting belt loops, or checking out the other guys butt to see if the pocket-flap is cut correctly. Button-fly...? Are ya scrutinizing my zipper-area? Probably not. Buuuut... we will call you out if both rear-pocket flaps ain't there. We will call you out if the color is way off... close... is cool. Options are out there. You just have to find what works. But be smart about it. MUST -HAVES:* Color - close to medium brown, and MUST be darker than the shirt * two rear-pocket flaps in a 5-point cut pattern, and button-hole closure. The rest... can be fudged.* Front pleats & button-fly: good to have, NOT a deal-breaker. * belt loops: 5, 6 or 7... who's actually looking/counting? Just my two-cents.
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Post by indywannabbe on Jun 26, 2013 12:22:45 GMT -5
Disagree on the "smart" thing....Cargo pants are cargo pants...They're great to wear, but they're not smart....Not unless you're in the military, and even then, those aren't what you'd wear to anything formal.....They do a great job..But they're not "that"... ;-) I happen to agree about the spirit thing, for sure...They're what I'd wear if I was trekking in the jungle, but they aren't correct for Indiana Jones, and so there ends the relevance to his character....Sadly... I like em'....But not as a variation on an Indy costume, basically.... They do rock though... ;-) Yes, they aren't authentic Indiana Jones, but if you wore them, with the fedora, and leather jacket im sure the average person would say Indy and not notice that the pants weren't correct im sure about that. BTW these are what I bought, what do you think and what colour would you say is most indy like would you say? Brown/Tobbaco or Khaki colour I bought the 32"waist 30 length. Possibly too short but at least you get to see my boots properly, and the waist loose, but again, with the web belt done up tight, the pants stay up. www.matalan.co.uk/product/detail/s2526479?id=S2526479&color=C469
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Post by indywannabbe on Jun 26, 2013 15:06:27 GMT -5
I happen to agree about the spirit thing, for sure...They're what I'd wear if I was trekking in the jungle, but they aren't correct for Indiana Jones, and so there ends the relevance to his character....Sadly... I like em'....But not as a variation on an Indy costume, basically.... They do rock though... ;-) Do you think these are a good Indy like chino and what about the colour again? I bought these as well, im going a bit mad spending wise. Im assuming you think these are more appropriate Indy wise and more desirable? www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_065010751074_-1
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Post by madkidjedi on Jun 26, 2013 16:37:26 GMT -5
indywannabee;
Oh, no no no... the Matalans are ALL wrong... the side pockets are uber-wrong... throw the whole look off. NO SIDE CARGO POCKETS.
You are MUCH closer with the Debenhams: no side pockets and very close on the rear pocket flaps (plural)... but still lacking the button closure. You could sew a faux button on to better them.
The color is a little bold... leaning towards 'brassy brown'...but acceptable. Can't beat that price though.
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Post by indywannabbe on Jun 26, 2013 19:05:56 GMT -5
madkidjediThanks for your input, yes the matalans are wrong but I quite like them as a casual pant. Im glad you like the Debenhams ones, the colour is a bit wrong is also what I was thinking but not too bad, but bold is the word is probably the right word. I got these chinos a while back for 28 pounds not 12 pounds though.
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Post by fifthchamber on Jun 26, 2013 19:34:05 GMT -5
Some of the best "store bought" Indy trousers I've seen were from LL Bean actually..Chinos...But they would more than do..... www.llbean.com/llb/shop/63021?feat=590-GN1&page=wrinkle-resistant-dress-chinos-natural-fit-pleatedThe Debenhams you posted aren't so bad...But the colour's off and the design is not as good as the LL Bean versions I posted above...If you're in the UK, I'd suggest looking in The Gap perhaps, unless you can find an LL Bean? You're after basic "Stone" coloured khakis if possible, and as close to grey/brown as you can if not...Ideally with front pleats, and rear flapped pockets...No cuffs either...Straight leg.... They're not easy to find "perfect", but you can for sure come very close..And while I do love cargo pants, they're not right for Indy....Although they do rock for adventure....Totally.."Spirit of Indy", not "Indy like" I'd say.... No bad thing....Just not entirely right for Indiana Jones...
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Post by indywannabbe on Jun 26, 2013 19:39:30 GMT -5
Some of the best "store bought" Indy trousers I've seen were from LL Bean actually..Chinos...But they would more than do..... www.llbean.com/llb/shop/63021?feat=590-GN1&page=wrinkle-resistant-dress-chinos-natural-fit-pleatedThe Debenhams you posted aren't so bad...But the colour's off and the design is not as good as the LL Bean versions I posted above...If you're in the UK, I'd suggest looking in The Gap perhaps, unless you can find an LL Bean? You're after basic "Stone" coloured khakis if possible, and as close to grey/brown as you can if not...Ideally with front pleats, and rear flapped pockets...No cuffs either...Straight leg.... They're not easy to find "perfect", but you can for sure come very close..And while I do love cargo pants, they're not right for Indy....Although they do rock for adventure....Totally.."Spirit of Indy", not "Indy like" I'd say.... No bad thing....Just not entirely right for Indiana Jones... Yes there are many gaps here. I will try look for stone coloured chinos then, or grey brown, preferably with flap back pockets, but most chinos haven't the flaps so I will be lucky if I can get them.. There aren't any LL beans here though. But im at least glad you liked the Debenhams look, if not the colour.
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Post by fifthchamber on Jun 26, 2013 19:54:33 GMT -5
If you're able to cover internet shopping, I'd suggest Todds Costumes.....Their pants are spot on, and the best I've owned..Detail perfect, colour perfect..Cheap-ish (90 dollars), and correct cavalry wool material...
Failing them, since you're in the UK, it might be best to head to Wested actually...In Kent.....Although it might be a trek away....Their trousers aren't spot on detail wise..But the fabric is right, and the design is closer than anything you'll find in "standard khaki" trouser searches...So...I'd go with them..
You could also try E-Bay for LL Bean or Todds trousers too..
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Post by indywannabbe on Jun 27, 2013 5:51:44 GMT -5
Yes, I will go to Wested at some point, ive just googled maps it, and im surprised its not too far, about 16 miles away. I think I can just show up there and try them on even, but give them a ring before I go in case they haven't got the right size.
But the Debenhams ones didn't have cuffs I think, in the photo they are just rolled up.
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Post by fifthchamber on Jun 27, 2013 20:50:10 GMT -5
Ummm......
Who was talking about designer pant suits? Suit pants do we mean? Or is there a post that I've missed to explain the relevance of this to anything mentioned in the thread so far? We're not really looking for "suit pants"....Although they're close...They're closer to the army issue slacks worn in the second world war....Chino's would cover the major points well enough without being "suit pants"...
I don't really see the relation....Welcome to the forum though..
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Post by madkidjedi on Jun 27, 2013 21:59:01 GMT -5
I think that post is from a spammer. Maybe time to ban 'em.
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Post by indywannabbe on Jun 29, 2013 13:24:01 GMT -5
I added a few buttons to my debenham chinos, I think it looks better. Although the buttons I bought weren't exactly like indys colour wise and size wise as well.
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Post by Mr. Fusion on Jun 29, 2013 19:15:55 GMT -5
I think that post is from a spammer. Maybe time to ban 'em. Definitely. There are a couple of them. I'm getting very annoyed by them. -Josh
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Post by madkidjedi on Jun 29, 2013 21:20:07 GMT -5
I added a few buttons to my debenham chinos, I think it looks better. Although the buttons I bought weren't exactly like indys colour wise and size wise as well. That's more like it. Not bad... not bad at all.
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Post by Ragingblues on Jun 30, 2013 0:05:28 GMT -5
I think that post is from a spammer. Maybe time to ban 'em. Definitely. There are a couple of them. I'm getting very annoyed by them. -Josh Deleted a bunch of spam posts, disabled the offending accounts, and banned them as well. Sorry for the delay..... not much free time these days. Ken
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