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Post by Kaplan on Sept 5, 2008 11:36:57 GMT -5
Well.... while he's smugly thinking about "bottom feeders" at his big-shot dinner opportunity... I'll be secretly hoping his salad doesn't go down well.  Sometimes things happen in this hobby that I'll never understand. So I just have to read quickly before the threads get deleted. It's like starring at a car accident at times, but in this case... it was a car accident that made me laugh. ;D Though there is nothing funny about Doug C and Duchjones getting banned. That's just completely stupid and unwarranted. I'm sure I'll get banned someday over there. It's just a matter of time. Anyway... enough. Sorry to bring up more of the goings on "over there". |
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Post by T-Rex on Sept 5, 2008 11:37:46 GMT -5
Well, I think those poll results are pretty conclusive ;D |
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Post by Ragingblues on Sept 5, 2008 11:46:50 GMT -5
dutchjones, I'm sorry to hear they booted you too, thanks for your support though. I wrote them immediately asking why I had been banned - here's a caption from their reply: quote - "talking back, arguing, mocking, and baiting various staff members and a former staff member who is still linked to this site—all which kept the ToD jacket thread off track and led to the author's request to close it down." The talking back thing made me laugh when I read it, I though it was a joke. I got banned first time for opposing Michaelson's suggestion to apply pecards to new jackets...just my opinion, the second time for reminding Holt (a moderator) of COW's reputation for getting details correct, after he indicated that SA details did not matter - in a thread about SA details. Now, banned for no real reason... I didn't invite patterson to answer my observations, did not return insults to him, I even politely asked him to stop with the insults - and I got banned. That group deleted two of my recent posts - one called "TofD jacket clarification", why it was deleted I have no idea, the second was "Wilsons jacket not under the truck??". I immediately posted a thread asking why the deletions... it got shut down and deleted. Funny thing though someone else tried to start my Wilson discussion back up, that thread was shut down too but NOT deleted - it had two or three post that agreed with patterson's POV, big surprise... Sorry, I'll cut this out.. just needed to vent. Doug C The same sort of things happened to me over there, which is what spurred G-Mann and myself to start our own place 2-1/2 years ago. All we wanted was to be able to talk about and share the Indy stuff as well as other subjects that interested us, without being treated like naughty little children. Ken |
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Post by themechanic on Sept 5, 2008 12:10:40 GMT -5
"Talking back"!! To whom? I didn't know my mother ran COW.
Jeez I guess they really do think we're children.
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Post by Sapito on Sept 5, 2008 12:36:11 GMT -5
I thought that was the Kate he was refering to but didn't see if the second name mentioned was Steven. I think I'll vote "no" in the poll just to stir things up! Yes, some mods over there are odd about what they feel can or can not be posted - quite intolerant of many things. |
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Post by New Yorker Jones on Sept 5, 2008 13:24:21 GMT -5
I cannot believe man claiming to know all about the Indy Movie jackets and not even recognize the screen used HERO jacket in Noel Howards. He clearly did not do his research. As was the case with the LC hero jacket. I mean come on. Besides if someone cannot explaine product placement correctly  and understand the difference between product placement and licensing.... then they should not write things like Jacket write ups. I was going to ask but didn't want to get banned...yet but what is a jacket write-up? History on a certain film jacket? |
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Post by Sapito on Sept 5, 2008 13:46:57 GMT -5
It's the write-up (history of the film jackets) when you go to indygear.com. Some are still being rewritten. I think the old write-ups were taken down several months ago so new ones could be written. There are also write-ups about the hats, clothes, and props.
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Post by dougc on Sept 5, 2008 13:48:37 GMT -5
If anyone feels differently about the poll, please speak up.. I did not intent this thread to be a party of just like minded individuals. Let's discuss it, debate it, whatever..I'm willing to listen and if the evidence is worthy, change my mind.
patterson actually has a pattern for most of his posts - including insults, followed by a statement about his history with the hobby, followed by more insults and topped off with a bragging point - I've tried to point this out to him to no avail...even in his farewell speach, it was the same old thing. Yea, he'll be back and I doubt he's even been banned at all.
See the mods sold us long ago on the idea that there was going to be a tell all write-up for all the gear, that would solved all the mysteries, especially with regards to the jacket. How patterson of all people got chosen to persue this mission is beyond me. I'd like to believe that those guys assumed the write up would be accurate and true. Now after seeing how they've delt with all the discrepencies in what's printed as fact, seeing how they've shut people down who question it, I now believe that they care more about their own glory and protecting their own people than the true story of the jackets. The obvious problem with the jacket write up is that it's not presented with the least bit of doubt, but instead a certainty even though there are no documents presented as backup.
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Post by Sapito on Sept 5, 2008 13:56:29 GMT -5
I've heard people talk of C&D's over there; why did Patterson get C&D's? Did these people go into the jacket business?
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Post by themechanic on Sept 5, 2008 13:57:17 GMT -5
He fancies himself an 'Alpha Male' and thinks he's above everyone else. Typical macho behavior. He always has to have the last word. That's why I guarantee he'll be back for a few more jabs, he can't seem to let it go.
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Post by New Yorker Jones on Sept 5, 2008 14:18:43 GMT -5
He fancies himself an 'Alpha Male' and thinks he's above everyone else. Typical macho behavior. He always has to have the last word. That's why I guarantee he'll be back for a few more jabs, he can't seem to let it go. No wonder he had the Hulk as his avatar. |
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Post by dougc on Sept 5, 2008 17:51:49 GMT -5
The Mechanic wrote: ..and his admin buddies give him the last word everytime. The other night after he'd insulted my manhood  for the second time.. I addressed the admins and said something to the effect of "come on guys, if I had said this I would be banned again", they didn't shut it down until he got to reply with this - "The difference is that I tell the truth". It's soo obviously slanted it's not even funny. Doug C |
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Post by conceitedape on Sept 17, 2008 23:01:00 GMT -5
Exactly RB, I can think of only one reason we where booted. They got scared that their positions where being tarnished. It's really stupid when you think of it. And Pattersons sudden departure thread is about as credible as the one Michaelson posted almost a year ago. And he returned quite quickly. You're not wrong. I've seen Patterson online at Club Jedi Master Kenobik a couple of times since his pompous departure thread. Not posting, just lurking. It's a bloody sorority sometimes. A while back a new(ish) member posted some declaration that he was going to have a crack at the Mt Everest of costume pieces, Mola Ram's headdress. He received an absolute slew of supportive posts with such dross as 'congratulations, you're breaking new ground', even though NO work had begun. Six weeks later I chimed in with my own finished product which damn near killed me to make and only TWO people had the decency to acknowledge it - given of course that many posters had wanted to see a fan made headdress for as long as I can even remember! Believe me, the favouritism is palpable, and I'm obviously not very popular there either. I'm sorry that DougC and Dutch Jones copped the treatment they have. |
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Post by dougc on Sept 18, 2008 12:49:12 GMT -5
Indygr wrote:
First of all, we don't even know if he was banned and I seriously doubt he was. The reality of it was that pat posted his farewell thread, most everyone jumped on the "we love you, thank you, we'll miss you.." band wagon, and all was going fine with that until I reminded everyone in that thread of what had just came out of his mouth and that now he was calling everyone a bottom feeder and making fun of them for playing dress up - while bidding farewell. As soon as I pointed that out, I got banned and pat's thread dissapeared.
Actually, I was initially told that my thread (Wilson jacket not under the truck) was being cleaned up but of course it's never been reposted. I was also initially told that I was not banned but I would be allowed to continue once things calmed down a bit quote "So far you have not been banned. As stated, you've been locked out to keep
you from continually bringing it up in threads throughout the board." But of course in reality I am still banned - oh well..
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Post by Ragingblues on Sept 18, 2008 14:32:37 GMT -5
Indygr wrote: First of all, we don't even know if he was banned and I seriously doubt he was. The reality of it was that pat posted his farewell thread, most everyone jumped on the "we love you, thank you, we'll miss you.." band wagon, and all was going fine with that until I reminded everyone in that thread of what had just came out of his mouth and that now he was calling everyone a bottom feeder and making fun of them for playing dress up - while bidding farewell. As soon as I pointed that out, I got banned and pat's thread dissapeared. Actually, I was initially told that my thread (Wilson jacket not under the truck) was being cleaned up but of course it's never been reposted. I was also initially told that I was not banned but I would be allowed to continue once things calmed down a bit quote "So far you have not been banned. As stated, you've been locked out to keep you from continually bringing it up in threads throughout the board." But of course in reality I am still banned - oh well.. Doug C It sounds like the same old crap from the same old group of guys to me. I'm so glad I don't have to put up with that mess. Ken |
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Post by dougc on Oct 10, 2008 18:37:31 GMT -5
Official Jacket Write up: The story keeps changing lately.. just in the last couple of days the so-called Wilson jacket has gone from being with out back detail to (10.10.08 today from the same author): I mean hello, I got banned for posting a thread that said this very thing, was insulted multiple times because I was obviosly bateing the author. Now, anytime the author cares to reshape the "facts", it's ok. I feel awfully let down by that. Just wish others could see past their noses. Let's not forget too that just a couple of days ago (on Oct.8th) that same author changed his story about Ford not wearing the Noel Howard jacket. Now, Ford did wear it and it was on screen too - wow. Coincidentially, I posted a thread here a couple of days before (on Oct.6th) showing a synthetic lining being worn in TofD by Ford.. then of course we get the epiphany that Ford wore Noel's jacket with the nylon lining on screne. It's not a fluke that these details of the story are being re-written. meanwhile, he can't be patted on the back enough by all the people that believe his crap. ps- my favorite quote of the week was this "did you drink a toast to all the bottom feeders?" ;D, that one cracked me up... too bad it got deleted though  Doug C |
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Post by GCR on Oct 10, 2008 20:05:38 GMT -5
ps- my favorite quote of the week was this "did you drink a toast to all the bottom feeders?" ;D, that one cracked me up... too bad it got deleted though Doug C I must have missed that, probably because it happened at a completely different forum. |
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Post by dougc on Oct 10, 2008 23:33:33 GMT -5
whatever.. it was funny you have to admit.  Oh, and I just realized that I left out this part out of the week's summary for changes to the story: what? but I thought...it had no back details..that's what we all read after all. So why wasn't that mentioned in the write up? I'd like to quote myself from when I tried to tell people that the back had these details, but unfortunately the thread no longer exists. oh well... Doug C |
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Post by GCR on Oct 11, 2008 0:28:43 GMT -5
[sarcasm]Yes. Downright hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.[/sarcasm]
Seriously though, I'm all for setting the record straight on the history of the jacket and all the other gear, but I for one could care less about your personal pissing contest with someone who is not even an active member here (and by that I mean while he does have an account here, he almost never posts and probably won't ever post anything here), so what do you hope to gain by posting all of this stuff, much of it IndyGear.com or COW related, here at the Indy Lounge? Is it simply because you were banned from COW and have no other outlet for your voice to be heard?
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Post by dougc on Oct 11, 2008 0:46:17 GMT -5
My latest entries to this thread are legit because they are items that pertain to the subject. The thread is still alive and there are events that are developing continually that are related to it. What do you care? If you don't like the subject, don't read the thread.. no one's making you.. and you know what it's about before you start reading. Is it that you read it because there is absolutely nothing else here to read because nobody is posting anything new? And now, it seems like you'd like me to hush too. Which means that there would be even less for you to grumble about. Why don't you try starting a thread here every once in a while, or don't you ever have an original idea to share? My reasons for posting and updating on this subject is that hopefully some eyes will have been opened and maybe a little of the blind following will be avoided. If you'd like me to stop posting, just ask real nicely and I'll leave it to you and the crickets.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2008 8:15:29 GMT -5
Griff [ GCR ] has over a hundred threads here that he started. Probably Hundreds. You just need to look for them.
I got into this hobby as a distraction while I was taking care of my wife before I had to place her in a Nursing Home due to an advanced case of Alzhiemers Disease. That is why when I see grown men argue over the clothing worn in a movie by a fictional character I just have to say to myself WTF.
If the details of a Jacket or a pair of pants is the worst thing you have to worry about, consider yourself lucky because as you get older life gets harder not easier.
As far as carrying arguments that started at the other site over to the Lounge only causes problems for Ken and me. We have had to deal with the fallout many times in the past and just have no desire to keep repeating history.
We started this place stricktly for fun and the opportunity to discuss non-Indy related topics.
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Post by dougc on Oct 11, 2008 9:44:05 GMT -5
My misunderstanding then, I always assumed it was an Indy forum (not sure where I got that from), and that this section was for openly discussing matters pertaining to his jackets. Seems to me the developing history would be a reasonable subject to talk about - my bad. No hard feelings guys, I think I've decided to try and go back to just lurking here from now on, with everybody else.
Doug C
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Post by GCR on Oct 11, 2008 10:17:20 GMT -5
DougC - You seem to have trouble grasping my point. I'm not against fleshing out the finer details of the jacket history, I'm not against separating fact from fiction, I'm not against discussing the Indiana Jones jacket...what I AM against is this BS between you and a certain other person WHO DOESN'T EVEN POST HERE polluting the Indy Lounge. You think maybe there's a reason why some of us don't post at other "gear" sites all that often? (Aside from the folks who can't because they were banned) A lot of us prefer to post here because we don't want to have to deal with the rules, issues and personality clashes that can be found at other sites.
If you have a beef with a member or mod at another forum, why not take it up with them directly instead of bugging us with this nonsense? This thread WAS about a poll regarding the truck dragging scene, but it has morphed into something else, thanks mostly to your antics. Believe me when I say that many of the folks here know enough to take whatever is posted as "fact" at other sites with a grain of salt, and many others just don't care. You don't have to worry about opening anyone's eyes here, we don't tend to be the "blind following" type.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of the person at the other site that you're having this little beef with, but for that reason I can't stand coming HERE and seeing the crap you posted about him. I mean damn, get over it man, will ya?
Just don't act like you're doing anyone a favor posting this stuff just for the sake of posting something new. And of course, once AGAIN, your ignorance becomes painfully clear by your attempt to call me out for not posting anything new. I've got more posts here than ANYONE other than Ken (Ragingblues), and I've started many a new thread in all that time, chief. If you ever bothered to do any sort of research at all, you might have noticed that, but I shouldn't have expected anything different from you, based on your track record thus far.
You want to talk jackets? Let's talk jackets...but let's leave the gossip and all the BS somewhere else.
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Post by dougc on Oct 11, 2008 10:36:31 GMT -5
My sincerest appologies to the forum. Can this thread please be deleted, gcr is right it's only serving to pollute the forum. btw, earlier I sent a pm to john asking for it's deletion but if any other mod cares to help, I'd appreciate it too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2008 12:03:12 GMT -5
My misunderstanding then, I always assumed it was an Indy forum (not sure where I got that from), and that this section was for openly discussing matters pertaining to his jackets. Seems to me the developing history would be a reasonable subject to talk about - my bad. No hard feelings guys, I think I've decided to try and go back to just lurking here from now on, with everybody else. Doug C Doug C, I guess I should have been more specific and stated that we like to discuss other subjects as well as Indiana Jones. I know a lot of people in this hobby do care about who originally made what items of the gear and it seems that since all but the Jacket have thier rock solid proof the jacket tends to be the only battleground left. I really no longer care if the original Jackets for Raiders, TOD or LC were made by a bunch of Monkeys with a pile of hides, needles and thread. All I ever really cared about is where can I get one that is similar. After going through about 14 jackets I have kept 4 that I really enjoy wearing. I have no problems at all with these further Origin debates as long as they remain civil [ at times I actually find them very entertaining and comical ] but as I said when members here attack members from the other site it just causes problems for Ken and me and to be honest I doubt very much that the Admins at COW would allow that type of posting either. Especially if you mention the Lounge by name. A conservative guess would be that 80% of the members here are members there also and can read all the drama for themselves if they desire to do so. If you still want me to remove this thread I will move it into the Ark where it cannot be read by anyone but Ken and me. Cheers, John |
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