Spider-Man : ONE MORE DAY *spoilers*

[pitifulharry]

I just wanted to post this real quick while I had a minute......I don't know how many people here are Spidey fans and I don't know how many of you collect the regular books.

Marvel put out a four issue mini-series over the last few months called Spider-Man :One More Day".

Basically, Spidey revealed his secret I.D to the public a while back. The Kingpin sent a hitman to kill Peter but he missed and shot Aunt May. From that point on Aunt May's been dying in the hospital and Peter feels responsible for her being shot because the bullet was meant for him.

He's spent the last month or so looking for someone to help save her life. He couldn't find anyone. So......at the end of his rope he makes a deal with the Devil. There's a catch though......IF Aunt May is to live then he has to give up his marriage to MJ.

Peter is given 24 hours to decide. He and MJ agree to the deal and the Devil wipes out that Peter and MJ were ever married and no one remembers.....including Peter and MJ.

So basically Marvel just reconned a marriage that lasted more than 20 years so they could get Pete back to being single without having them get a divorce. They've TOTALLY screwed up the timeline now as well......Because the Devil changed things in the process of wiping out the marriage.......Now Harry Osborn is alive and well......He died because of the Goblin serum maybe 10 or 15 years ago!

Yes, kids......divorce is bad. Instead make a deal with the Devil and have him just erase your marriage from existance.

Damn, anyone know how to get into contact with him??? ;D

[Ragingblues]

That's a sad state of affairs, IMO. I hate when a character's back story or timeline are re-written so drastically like this. To give a variation on a theme is fine, but this sort of thing is kind of like the "Who Shot J.R.?" deal back on the TV show Dallas many years ago. They just pretended the entire season was a dream so that J.R. wouldn't have died, due to public outcry over the event.

Then again, maybe that's the sort of thing that needs to happen here as well. If enough people complain, maybe they can re-re-write the devil thing as a dream and put things back in order.

Yes, with great power comes great respsonsibility. This is not an example of being very responsible with the pen, IMO.


Ken

[pitfallharry]

I totally agree AND it was TOTALLY out of character for Peter to even stoop to this level......He's had run in's with M.U version of the "Devil" quite a few times and knows that you don't make a deal with this "being".

The whole thing was forced so they could get Peter back to the way he was before he got married. Some readers noticed in the last pages of the book AFTER the deal was made that Peter now has mechanical webshooters again.....They changed them to organic in the books a few years ago to match the movie version... So it's not certain what all has been changed but this and a few other "early" teases have all of us thinking there's been a lot more than just erasing the marriage.

Seriously, who in their right mind would choose a woman pushing her 90's, who's had a good life and won't live much longer anyway over the love of your life that just happens to be a friggin supermodel???!!

It also made no sense whatsoever that no other hero in the M.U could help heal Aunt May considering it was just a bullet wound!

The last few years for Spidey in the books hasn't been the greatest and even I felt there needed to be some major changes but this move was just......STUPID!

Not one single person that's read the storyline likes it.

I'm interested to see what happens when "Brand New Day" starts but I don't know if I'll start collecting the series again.....

By the way MJ whispered something in the Devil's ear before they agreed to the deal. We don't know what she whispered though.....some are guessing it's a "back door" encase they want to undo this. I think it has something to do with her becoming a super hero. There's a new hero coming that's called "JackePot" and she looks just like MJ with a mask and costume on.

And people whined about Raimi and Spider-Man 3! ;D

[Deleted]

Sounds like it should be called "One More Piece Of Crap from Marvel"

Cheers,
G-MANN

[pitfallharry]

gmann said:

Sounds like it should be called "One More Piece Of Crap from Marvel"

Cheers,
G-MANN

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

OMG.....that just struck me funny.

[nickhorror]

When Joe Quesada took over Marvel back in 2000, I was stoked out of my mind with happiness about Ultimate Spider-Man. Then he brought on J. Michael Straczynski to write the Amazing title and I was even more thrilled...and then Straczynski went completely INSANE!! I stopped reading a book that I've been reading for the last twenty years!! because of the whole Morlun/Ezekiel thing (there have always been Spider-Men?? what the Hell??) I gave up on Spidey before "The Other", thank God, and well before "Civil War." And this seems to be some kind of trademark with this character ever since the mid-nineties. I'm only going to mention the Clone Saga once just to point out what happened the last time they tried to screw with Spidey's universe...and it nearly killed the character's popularity.

But there is good news.

As soon as book sales plummet and the company become nearly bankrupt (again) they'll hire a new writer who will come in and say: "Everything that happened before was just a trick from Doc Ock, or something, and Pete and MJ are fine and everything is back to normal." That's the beauty of "deus ex machina

The biggest issue with this whole thing, and I've heard it repeatedly, is that everything is out of character for Peter. I mean, seriously, how many times has Aunt May died or nearly died in the past forty years? Isn't it about time to let the old bird pass gently in the night from old age--Peter has enough emotional issues, one more isn't going to strengthen the character.

All I want is my old Spidey back! I want him to swing around New York, stopping petty thugs as well as the crazed super villain. I don't need him to go into these great big Grecian tragedies that will "tear his universe apart." Just give me the action-oriented stories with great artwork of yesteryear and leave him alone. I'm fine with the occasional "bump" in the story line, but enough is enough. For God's sake, some body call Stan Lee and give the man a pen and some paper--Spidey needs to be saved.

[pitfallharry]

Nick, I agree 100% with you and I doubt you and I are alone when it comes to how we feel Marvel has treated it's flagship character over the last few years.

I stopped collecting comic books all together about two years ago......mainly because of the lack of cash. I still went into a comic book store on occasion here in town and checked up on everything, including Spidey. I was also able to keep track of what was going on in the books thanks to the good old internet!

Like you I lost interest in 616 Spidey right after JMS took over.....for basically the same reasons. When they killed him and had Morlun eat out his eye I was totally disgusted......and then they brought him back with some enhanced powers! What a load of crap.....What they've done over the last few years makes the Clone Saga seem like friggin Shakespeare. Don't forget about Gwen sleeping with Norman and having those twin kids right before she died.

I honestly think this OMD storyline is going to cause major damage to the entire Marvel Universe......continuity wise...I can't see how Marvel isn't going to have to do a ten part "Crisis" event mini-series to fix all of this. They'll either have to bring back The Beyonder OR Scarlet Witch to fix this.......Talk about a can or worms they've opened up!

As far as the little preview we got at the end of OMD for "Brand New Day" I'm not so dead set against the changes I see. It looks like Harry is back from the dead and Pete's got his mechanical webshooters back. I wan to see where they go with this because, like you , I want "old Spidey" back.....It's the way they went about doing this that really upset me. It's just lame.......and who in the world would pick a 90 year old women who's died like 10 times already over their hot supermodel wife?!?!?! Seriously? "I'd be like......See ya later Aunt May". ;D ;D

It's also so stupid that no one in the Marvel Universe could help Aunt May. It's a gun shot wound.....not some kind of a curse.

I dunno.....In about a year or so I see every Marvel book relaunching with a new #1 issue......and it will all because of this. ;D

[Deleted]

I think it's time for the Punisher to come in and really Kill the Marvel Universe like in the Trade Paperback.

In which Spidey was first to go.

Cheers,
G-MANN

[pitfallharry]

Actually, what would be a better story is The Punisher kills the Marvel writing staff! ;D ;D

I'm sure he'd love to get his hands on the guys that made him commit suicide and turned him into an "avenging angel" for a short period of time.

[nickhorror]

The great thing about comics is that you can bounce around time and space with the story. I imagine that the next writer will come on and pull a "dream" sequence. I just hope that Joe Q will take a memo from the fans and quit trying to leave his mark in comic history. Destroying a character isn't a way to bring new fans into the title. I think Marvel needs to look into the definition of "revamp".

[pitfallharry]

I don't see why they had to use the Devil to "fix" the marriage. OF all the things they could have come up with that's the strangest one of all. From a Christian point of view it's also the most offensive. From my own personal point of view it's just bad writing.

I was honestly under the assumption that Wanda aka The Scarlet Witch would be the one to "fix" everything......and I guess down the road she could still be used.

I think the problem now is Marvel's done this one to many times with the character and that this time whatever changes they've made are going to have to stay in place for a looooong time or their going to have to totally reboot the entire universe. This is a "mistake" on a grand scale........None of the readers are going to forgive this with just a wave of the hand.

[nickhorror]

Some one will come along (The Beyonder, the Watcher, Dr. Strange) and fix it, much like in the Infinity Gauntlet story, where a lot of characters died. It's just the simple...sad, but simple.

As far as the Devil, well, who better to do a proverbial "deal with the Devil" than the red guy himself? But I totally agree; it's lame!! It's JMS just reaching into a hat and pulling out a random story idea and unbelievably linking it to what he's written before. You said it, Pitfall, it's just bad writing. If I had written something like this and submitted it for publication, I'd get laughed out of the editor's office.

[pitfallharry]

Well, basically out of curiosity I picked up the latest issue of Spider-Man today...which was titled "Brand New Day".

To keep it short I liked the issue. It's just hard trying to forget all the stuff that's happened prior to this issue. The very first shot in the book is Peter kissing another woman at a club! It's just like they're trying to push the fact home that Peter and Mj are no more....

I think the continuity issue is still going to be the main hurdle for the readers to come to terms with......

Basically, what I'm hearing is that every issue before this did happen only certain things about those stories were changed. How's this for a lazy way to fix a problem.......Peter did unmask in front of everyone in Civil War #2......It's just now no one really remembers what happened. The evidence is gone and people just have this cloudy memory of that event. What??!?!? The "Other" storyline did happen as well but somehow Peter's powers are now back to what they were before that event occurred. Aunt May was still shot but as we can see in this issue she's totally fine and there's not mention of that event or why she was shot to begin with. Of course the book begins several months later and Spidey hasn't been seen or heard from.....

It would be different if Spidey was in his own separate reality but he's not. He's been in just about every other characters books at some point and so has Mj. So now anything that happened in those other books is null and void to some degree.....

Gah, it makes my head hurt trying to figure out the mess...

Like I said though.....I did enjoy this first issue. It felt like I was reading the Spidey I remembered from my childhood..... I just wish they would have taken another path to get to this point.

[Rock Ford]

Maybe their will be a "What If Spawn killed Spidey". I think Spideys wholesome kid friendly character just went down the toilet. I don't get why they had him make a deal with the devil, couldn't he just wake up from a dream. Better yet some how go back in time in a Delorean.
Does anyone know if the recent writers strike affected this?

[pitfallharry]

rockford said:

Maybe their will be a "What If Spawn killed Spidey". I think Spideys wholesome kid friendly character just went down the toilet. I don't get why they had him make a deal with the devil, couldn't he just wake up from a dream. Better yet some how go back in time in a Delorean.
Does anyone know if the recent writers strike affected this?

Actually, this should be more like a "What if Spidey became Spawn?" type of book. ;D ;D

Nah, the writers strike doesn't effect comic book writers......This was all planned over a year ago anyway.

Right now how they did it was crap but it seems the end result isn't that bad at the moment. It's really a welcome sight to see the old mechanical webshooters back.

[nickhorror]

Actually, the comic book industry is reaching out to the striking writers, asking them to submit new ideas.

[pitfallharry]

nickhorror said:

Actually, the comic book industry is reaching out to the striking writers, asking them to submit new ideas.

Can they though? I would think they wouldn't be allowed to submit any new work due to the fact that they're on strike. I know the comic industry isn't connected to the film industry......but still. They are writing and selling their work to make money??

I dunno......the whole thing is totally confusing to me. ;D

[nickhorror]

Members of the WGA can submit their own work to publicists, comics, magazines, and whatever else they choose, as long as it isn't one of the struck companies where they are paid to produce material for film and television. It is very confusing, but we were sent a list of companies, and Marvel, DC, Image, Dark Horse, et al are not listed.

[pitfallharry]

Well, speaking of flim writers working for comics......Bob Gale is one of the new writers for the "relaunched" Spidey books. Which to me seems like a positive thing...

[nickhorror]

Indeed. I may check into something like that in the near future.

[pitfallharry]

I'm still trying to decide if I want to write my comic book character's story as a movie script or write it as an actual comic.

It seems lately the two mediums have become sorta tangle together with comic writers creating scripts for TV and Film/TV writers creating stories for the comics.

[nickhorror]

LOL. I have been lobbying for years to create the next great comic book superhero, but only publish him in novels. I feel that could possibly be the American Harry Potter, seeing as how the adventures could be endless.